Chinarice vs The Natural Born Runner: Who won Lawler vs Condit?

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@chinarice and I have been debating back and forth who won Lawler vs Condit and I need your opinions.

My opinion:

I think the judges got it right, it was 48-47 Robbie Lawler, winning rounds 2, 3 and 5.

I believe that Carlos Condit won the first round due to volume and partially knocking Robbie down. I also believe that Robbie took Round 4 off and his activity was so low that Carlos definitely took Round 4.

I believe that there is also zero argument that Robbie lost Round 2 or 5, purely because Robbie landed the harder, cleaner shots in those rounds and he even dropped Carlos in Round 2. Round 5 was literally Carlos in survival mode, being hunted by a zombie who was walking through shots and landing harder ones of his own.

Chinarice has attempted to debunk my angle of Robbie landing harder shots by stating that "I don't have damage meters on my TV so I don't know what a hard strike is and how much damage it does", I personally think that approach is asinine. We as long-time combat sports fans know what a clean, hard shot is and we also know when strikes are more "scoring shots" than shots intended to do damage.

The fight came down to Round 3 and that was not much different to other rounds, Carlos landed more volume, and Robbie threw a whole lot less but when he landed it was cleaner and harder. People also never talk about how much Carlos missed in that fight, missing strikes left, right and center just to "stay busy" doesn't score on my card. Carlos only landed 35% of his shots, whilst Lawler landed 51% of his.

I genuinely think there is something to be said for being more accurate and throwing when it counts. I don't believe in throwing at air and every now and then you land a leg kick or a jab. Robbie was landing meaningful shots throughout the fight and squeaked out the third round in my opinion.

If you think Carlos won, I can live with that, it was close. But if you scream robbery, you have no idea what you're watching.

What do you guys think?
 
I need to rewatch it to pass judgement. Might return to the thread later.
 
I just rewatched the third round and it's just as close as I remembered it.

Guys, we need to stop this shit where we cry robbery. I have done it many, many times, but I go back and change my mind if I'm proven wrong.

I screamed robbery when I watched Hendricks/Lawler I, I screamed robbery when I watched Diaz/Condit, I screamed robbery when I saw Jones/Gustafsson. But when I go back and watch again I see I was wrong.

Please find a link or you can perhaps DM me for one, Lawler barely gets hit at all in that round, and when he does it is all leg kicks. Staying busy and hitting air does not win a round, Lawler landed very little, but when he did land they were power punches to the head. I know how I personally score a fight and punches to the head will always rank higher than kicking someone in the leg (unless it's crippling like Barboza etc.)
 
1st - Condit
2nd - Close but edge to Lawler
3rd - Condit
4th - Condit
5th - Lawler

Significant strikes were 176-92 in favour of Condit. Condit outstruck Robbie by a wide margin in every round except for 2nd and 5th which were rather close.

Only 3 of 20 media scores had it for Lawler.
 
IMO , bear in mind I am a Condit supporter I think he won that fight on first viewing and second viewing .
 
1st - Condit
2nd - Close but edge to Lawler
3rd - Condit
4th - Condit
5th - Lawler

Significant strikes were 176-92 in favour of Condit. Condit outstruck Robbie by a wide margin in every round except for 2nd and 5th which were rather close.

Only 3 of 20 media scores had it for Lawler.
I know this sounds good on paper and stats are cool, but please watch Round 3.

Scraping someone's arms with a lazy body kick is not "landing", at least not in my book.

It's pretty universal that Lawler took 2 and 5, and Carlos took 1 and 4. The fight comes down to the third round, so all the rest is kind of irrelevant in my book.

Rewatch Round 3, and tell me that it's a clear-cut Condit round. I won't lie, it's a weird round. You have a few spurts from Lawler where he lands hard and clean, and you have Carlos landing a little more often but mainly to the legs and arms. I just don't see how it is determined to be a robbery by some. Lawler may have landed 92 strikes or whatever you said, but I bet if you had footage of the strikes and compared them, Robbie's would be a whole lot more effective and that is the scoring criteria after all.
 
Live, without hindsight...

Condit got fucking robbed. Easy a 3-2, possibly a 4-1.
 
Lawler, but who cares. You only get true respect by saying Diaz beat Condit.
 
Biggest robbery ever!
Carlos condit won!
Chinarice is right!
TS is wrong!
WRONG!
 
I need to know the stakes of this debate prior to answering. I would hate to he responsible for a heinous act based solely on the outcome of a fight.
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