Discussion in 'Worldwide MMA Discussion' started by ConorFacts, Dec 8, 2019.
I think the Korean Zombie is a very good Chinese fighter.
Have you ever seen Kevin Lee fight? I wonder if he is related to Bruce Lee.
Very rarely do you get a very good asian fighter to climb the ranks all the way to the champion with men. Asians do well among themselves, but once they reach the pinnacle of combat sports, they fold like lawn chairs over and over. I'm not racist by any means, just an observation I made for myself. I would bet for the most part, China will never be dominant in mma, not in a decade not in two.
China is the birth place of Gung Fu which is the grandfather of all martial arts
The old generation has taught and ingrained Chinese tradition and beliefs to their children who are now coming of age to carry on their legacy:
These are the new breed and it's only a matter of time before a person with a tremendous amount of talent emerges and takes the mma world by storm. Zhang is only the beginning and we will see a lot more high level fighters that will bring in a new era:
I have no doubt there will be relevant Chinese fighters, but the problem with China is that they don't have strong grappling sports, and that's the main thing that predicts success in MMA
The US has Folkstyle wrestling, Brazil has Jiu-Jitsu, Russia has Sambo, Judo and Freestyle. Without strong grappling coaches it's going to take China a long time to catch up, let alone dominate.
The Chinese enacted a smart program several years back to go after low hanging fruit in the olympics at the state level. I think if the state had a goal to become relevant in mma, they could easily go after feMMA and have a bunch of top fighter in 10-15 years. The level of competition is ridiculously low and a doping program gives a massive advantage on that side of things too.
cant see it happenign
Just chines people are physically not on the same level as those from other parts of the world
It’s true. I’m a panda hugger, but the Chinese were bred for docility and agriculture. Not a good stock to pick fighters from. Great if you need to process silk for the Roman Empire, though.
theres no chinese anymore.
fo realz ?
dancing in silk pajamas has nothing to do with MMA. Lower muscle mass, bone density and testosterone will probably get in the way of the Chinese takeover of MMA.
It isn’t going to happen.
why are you guys comparing combat sports to team sports. China's methods of producing athletes does well with individualized sports. The reason why they have no good basketball players is because their methods of selecting basketball prospects and their understanding of basketball is incredibly poor. Combat sports are far more intuitive.
Not saying they will "dominate" but if the country takes it seriously you're going to see a lot of Chinese guys. Genetics won't hold back China either...they have a billion more people than USA - there is going to be a ton of good athletes. What's with all the bro science, Asians who take sports seriously do as well as anyone else.
Athletics as a career isn't seen as a viable option in Asian cultures - that is a much bigger factor why there aren't as many famous Asian athletes as there are Western than genetics. Furthermore, the build of Asian's makes it so on average they might not be good at a sport like basketball - a sport like fighting is more forgiving of many different builds.
lol. What makes you believe that?
It's even worse than believing in Santa at this point.
China is amongst the worst at MMA, despite a HUGE population.
European countries with like 5 mln. inhabitants make better, and more top mma guys. lol
Now that’s a burn. And I’m not being sarcastic at all. Straight up.
You must not watch combat sports outside MMA.
There's 5 billion more people than there are people of African descent. People of African heritage still hold all 25/25 top 100 M mens sprint times, and 21/25 women's. Genetics is a real thing in sports, and often matters more than population numbers. There hasn't been a Chinese guy in history that could move like RJJ or hit like Ngannou, for example and there probably never will be.
IMO if the UFC keeps growing, I expect 9/10 champs to be of African heritage (top tier genetics) or from Eastern Europe (second tier, but still very good, genetics with top tier alpha male culture).
I mean how would you know there hasn't been someone who can hit like Ngannou or move like RJJ? Delonte Wilder hits way harder than Ngannou and he didn't start boxing until he was an adult - think about it, even in America where there aren't that many 6'7 people no one thought to push Delonte Wilder into becoming a rich ass boxing champion, he just stumbled into it while in prison. If Wilder was in another country there is a good chance he never becomes anything and no one knows who he is, this is like this in many countries.
Besides you could easily say there hasn't been a black guy that can move like RJJ lol. Though while we're somewhat on the topic on boxing - Manny Pacqiao is Asian, and he's the best athlete of his generation in boxing and probably a better athlete than anyone who has made a career in MMA.
Certain traits seen in ethnic groups can help for certain sports for sure. Something like sprinting is very specific to a certain build and athletic traits. East Africans have good traits for long distance running as an example. MMA is not a pure athletics sport, it is a skill sport and one that has very varied skills - there isn't any one particular type or trait that makes someone a great fighter - so it isn't really comparable to something like sprinting.
Most places in the world are either too poor to make use of their athletes or the athletes don't see themselves as prospects and go into working a generic job. It isn't like in America. Even freakishly tall people in Africa don't get discovered for basketball until they are 15 or 16 years old, and even some never get discovered - and that's something obvious for basketball where if you're tall it is a no brainer you should be playing NCAA ball at a minimum for the scholarship. You would think a place like Nigeria that has 100 million West African black people would dominate every sport, but they just have a few guys sprinkled here and there - Usman's family wanted him to become an engineer or some lame shit for god sakes - Nigerian's think like Asians.
Fact is - if Ngannou never moved to France he probably isn't even discovered, and you wouldn't be able to use him as an example. No one even thought to push Ngannou into boxing until he was 22, and his family thought he was an idiot for doing it. Think about if he didn't come from total poverty and had a real chance of becoming a doctor - he wouldn't be in the UFC.
It's not like Asia does poor in sports, that's pretty much a stereotype. Considering most Asian countries do not push their general populace into dreaming about becoming professional athletes East Asian countries do well in the Olympics. Like, how can we say something like Asians cannot compete in MMA when the Japanese for example can compete in Wrestling and Boxing? Chinese compete in gymnastics. Koreans compete in TKD. And it's not like those countries are only good at one sport a piece.
It's rather obvious Asians can compete in MMA. The idea that they are any less athletic than whites is largely just due to cultural differences in athletics. If you are not picked to go to an academy at a really young age for sports in a place like China, then you don't turn pro, even if you have great athletic ability - it's just how it works there, and it's obviously a gigantic waste of talent. Other than that you are in school until 7 pm plus studying after, and your parents will think you're an idiot for trying to do sports as a real job - it isnt' even seen as prestigious to be an athlete, going to athletic schools usually infers you are an idiot in a place like China. Just think about that mindset on a grand scale.
Asians have less free time, less money, less resources and more social pressure for school/land desk jobs. That will add up a lot more than any athletic deficiencies the average Asian might have - which is rather unidentified for a sport like MMA.
And again, in a sport like MMA where there are great fighters who are middle aged and already Asian fighters - I'm not seeing how athleticism will be some grand barrier. If China approached sports like Croatia you really don't think you would see more Chinese athletes in the NBA or EPL? Both their mindset and training sucks for sports, especially team sports.
I don't know, MMA seems like a sport that China can definitely make an impact in - fighting sports have always had high representation from different races.
A man name Xu Xiadong would like to have a word with all of those guys in Pajamas.