Opinion Chief of Staff John F. Kelly gives an exit interview to the Los Angeles Times

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John F. Kelly says his tenure as Trump's chief of staff is best measured by what the president did not do
LA Times said:
In August 2017, shortly after John F. Kelly became White House chief of staff, he convened crucial meetings on Afghanistan at President Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J.

Top officials from the Pentagon and the CIA, the director of national intelligence, diplomats and lawmakers huddled with Trump as Kelly and others urged him not to give up in Afghanistan.

“When I first took over, he was inclined to want to withdraw from Afghanistan,” Kelly recounted during an exclusive two-hour interview with the Los Angeles Times.


“He was frustrated. It was a huge decision to make ... and frankly there was no system at all for a lot of reasons — palace intrigue and the rest of it — when I got there.”


The retired four-star Marine general will leave the administration on Wednesday. First as Homeland Security chief and then in 18 months at the White House, he presided over some of the Trump administration’s most controversial immigration and security policies.

In the phone interview Friday, Kelly defended his rocky tenure, arguing that it is best measured by what the president did not do when Kelly was at his side.

It was only after Kelly’s departure was confirmed Dec. 8, for example, that Trump abruptly announced the pullout of all U.S. troops from Syria and half the 14,000 troops from Afghanistan, two moves that Kelly had opposed.

Kelly’s supporters say he stepped in to block or divert the president on dozens of matters large and small. They credit him, in part, for persuading Trump not to pull U.S. forces out of South Korea, or withdraw from NATO, as he had threatened.

Kelly said he made sure that Trump had access to multiple streams of detailed information before he made a decision — even if the president says he often relies on his gut, rather than U.S. intelligence.


“It’s never been: The president just wants to make a decision based on no knowledge and ignorance,” Kelly said. “You may not like his decision, but at least he was fully informed on the impact.”


Kelly allowed that spending nearly every waking minute of 15-hour days with a president seemingly inundated with one crisis after another has been a “bone-crushing hard job, but you do it.”

On most days, he said, he woke up at 4 a.m. and typically came home at 9 p.m. Then he often went straight into a secure area for classified reports and communications so he could keep working.

“I’m guarded by the Secret Service. I can’t even go get a beer,” he quipped.


Trump sometimes pressed his advisors on the limits of his authority under the law, often asking Kelly, “‘Why can’t we do it this way?’”


But Trump never ordered him to do anything illegal, Kelly stressed, “because we wouldn’t have.”


“If he had said to me, ‘Do it, or you’re fired,’” Kelly said he would have resigned.

Trump enlisted him to bring order to a White House racked by inter-agency rivalry, high staff turnover and constant controversy, Kelly said. Although he sometimes clashed with other aides, he said, he tried to leave politics out of it.

“I told the president the last thing in my view that you need in the chief of staff is someone that looks at every issue through a political lens,” Kelly said.

Kelly served 46 years in the Marines, from the Vietnam War to the rise of Islamic State, making him the U.S. military’s longest-serving general when he retired in January 2016.

When Trump picked him to head Homeland Security, and then serve as White House chief of staff, officials from the Pentagon to Capitol Hill expressed hope that Kelly would be one of the “adults in the room” to manage a mercurial president.

To critics, Kelly failed at that task, unable to rein in Trump’s angry tweets or bring order to executive decision-making.

Worse, they argue, he aggressively advocated and implemented harsh immigration measures, including separating migrant children from their parents on the border last summer, that quickly ran aground or were reversed in the courts.

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President Trump shakes hands with White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly after he was sworn in July 31, 2017. (Pool photo)

Kelly rejects reports that Trump bristled at the endless briefings and Kelly’s tight-fisted control of access to the Oval Office.

But his anticlimactic exit reflects a tenure dogged from the outset by the indignities of constant speculation, fueled by the president’s own public remarks, that he would be fired.

Kelly said he decided it was time to leave after the Nov. 6 midterm election, which saw heavy Republican losses in Congress and statehouses. The president announced Kelly’s decision Dec. 8.

"John Kelly will be leaving, I don’t know if I can say retiring,” Trump said from the South Lawn as he left for the annual Army-Navy football game. “But he’s a great guy.”

Unlike Kelly’s friend James N. Mattis, the retired Marine general who resigned as secretary of Defense with a public letter rebuking the president for abandoning allies and undermining alliances, Kelly kept his counsel.

But his impending departure from the eye of the storm created an embarrassing void at the White House as one candidate after another publicly pulled out or declined the chief of staff job.


On Dec. 14, Trump named Mick Mulvaney, his budget director, as acting chief of staff.



Even administration critics see Kelly’s departure as worrisome, saying he brought hard-edged national security experience and the integrity and ability to stand up to the president.


“It’s a loss, there’s no question,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif).



“Now, it just seems to be a free-for-all,” said Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I). “There’s no real consistent figure that’s going to stand there and just make sure literally the trains run on time. I think that was one of Kelly’s major contributions.”

Kelly leaves as Trump has been cocooned in the White House as a partial government shutdown moves into a second week over his demands for $5 billion for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The president has responded by firing off angry tweets at Democrats, who refuse to provide more than $1.3 billion for border security, rather than seeking to negotiate a solution.

The stalemate also highlights the distance, at least in language, between Kelly and Trump over the president’s signature promise — to build a wall.

“To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Kelly said.


When Kelly led Homeland Security in early 2017, one of his first steps was to seek advice from those who “actually secure the border,” Customs and Border Protection agents who Kelly calls “salt-of-the-earth, Joe-Six-Pack folks.”


“They said, ‘Well we need a physical barrier in certain places, we need technology across the board, and we need more people,’” he said.


“The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it.”


Asked if there is a security crisis at the Southern border, or whether Trump has drummed up fears of a migrant “invasion” for political reasons, Kelly did not answer directly, but said, “We do have an immigration problem.”

From the 1980s to the mid-2000s, apprehensions at the border — the most common measure of illegal immigration — routinely reached more than 1 million migrants a year.


Today, they are near historical lows. In the fiscal year that ended in September, border authorities apprehended 521,090 people.


But immigration officials are seeing a dramatic rise in families and unaccompanied minors at the border, mostly from Central America.

Kelly saw the corruption and violence that spurred migrations from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, first as head of the Pentagon’s Southern Command, which stretches from South America to Mexico’s southern border, then at Homeland Security.

He says that experience has given him a nuanced view on immigration and border security — one that at times appears at odds with Trump’s harsh anti-immigration messaging and policy.

“Illegal immigrants, overwhelmingly, are not bad people,” Kelly said, describing many migrants as victims misled by traffickers. “I have nothing but compassion for them, the young kids.”

But he blamed immigrants and lawmakers, not the White House, for the tense situation at the border, where thousands of Central Americans are stranded in Mexico — and two Guatemalan children have died in Border Patrol custody in Texas and New Mexico this month.

“One of the reasons why it’s so difficult to keep people from coming — obviously it’d be preferable for them to stay in their own homeland but it’s difficult to do sometimes, where they live — is a crazy, oftentimes conflicting series of loopholes in the law in the United States that makes it extremely hard to turn people around and send them home,” Kelly said.

“If we don’t fix the laws, then they will keep coming,” he continued. “They have known, and they do know, that if they can get here, they can, generally speaking, stay.”

On Saturday, Trump blamed Democrats for the deaths of the two migrant children this month. He also threatened to cut off U.S. aid to Central America if another reported migrant caravan isn’t stopped.

Kelly didn’t respond to Trump’s threats directly but suggested part of the problem lies on the U.S. side of the border.

“If you want to stop illegal immigration, stop U.S. demand for drugs, and expand economic opportunity” in Central America, he said.


Kelly faulted the administration for failing to follow procedure and failing to anticipate the public outrage for the two most controversial initiatives of his tenure: Trump’s travel ban in January 2017, and the “zero tolerance” immigration policy and family separations this year.

Shortly after taking office, Trump issued an executive order immediately suspending the entire U.S. refugee program for 120 days, indefinitely freezing the entry of refugees from Syria and barring travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries.

Refugees already approved for resettlement, green card holders and others were turned away from flights, detained, and in some cases deported. Federal judges issued emergency stays, and several iterations of the travel ban have been challenged in court.

At the time, despite reports he’d been caught off-guard by the president’s order, Kelly gave a full-throated defense.

“I had very little opportunity to look at them,” before the orders were announced, Kelly acknowledged in the Times interview. “Obviously, it brought down a greater deal of thunder on the president.”

Blain Rethmeier, who helped shepherd Kelly and his replacement at Homeland Security, Kirstjen Nielsen, through their Senate confirmations, put it more colorfully: “He got handed a [crap] sandwich the first week on the job.”

“There’s only so many things a chief of staff can do, particularly with a personality like Donald Trump,” said David Lapan of the Bipartisan Policy Center, who worked with Kelly at Defense and Homeland Security.

In May, Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions announced a zero-tolerance policy for immigration violations. U.S. officials already had begun to put the policy into practice, resulting in hundreds of migrant children being separated from their parents.

Kelly said Sessions’ announcement caught the White House by surprise.

“What happened was Jeff Sessions, he was the one that instituted the zero-tolerance process on the border that resulted in both people being detained and the family separation,” Kelly said. “He surprised us.”

The chaotic implementation then fell primarily on the Department of Health and Human Services and Nielsen, who came under fire for standing on the White House podium and saying there was no policy of separating families.

“She is a good soldier; she took the face shot,” a senior White House official said on background. “No one asked her to do it, but by the time we could put together a better strategy, she’d already owned it.”

Kelly surprised some of his friends when he backed Trump after a deadly clash between neo-Nazis and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017.

When Trump blamed “both sides” for the violence, Kelly seemed to hang his head in disapproval. But later he defended Confederate memorials and suggested the Civil War was not caused by slavery but inability to compromise.

In early 2018, Kelly conceded he’d mishandled the removal of Rob Porter, then-White House staff secretary, after reports emerged that two ex-wives had accused Porter of abuse.

But an episode in October 2017 may have been most telling for Kelly’s struggles as a public face of the administration.

After a deadly ambush against U.S. troops in Niger, Kelly gave a rare White House news briefing to defend the president. He attacked a Florida congresswoman who was friends with the family of one of the soldiers who’d been killed, and despite video evidence contradicting his claims, did not apologize.

Kelly’s eldest son Robert, also a Marine, was killed in Afghanistan in 2010. He said that before his son’s death, as a Marine commander, he would go to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center or to too many funerals and try to imagine what the parents were going through.

“I couldn’t have imagined that loss,” he said. “There is no burden a family bears that is heavier than to have lost a child, and with that child serving.”

Asked why he stayed 18 months in the White House, despite policy differences, personality clashes, the punishing schedule, and a likely lasting association with some of Trump’s controversies, he said simply: duty.

“Military people,” he said, “don’t walk away.”
This important interview is being misrepresented in the liberal media which is just another reason I have lost faith in its ability to be professional and faithful to truth (I don't care if it's an Op-Ed if you misrepresent your source). The first outlet that made it known to me was NBC News while I was browsing Google News on my tablet, though I can't find that specific article right now, and it represented the interview as Kelly painting a picture of a White House in disarray under a President who acts solely on impulse and ego. That's nonsense. There is good and bad, here, but Kelly indicates the opposite of that.

WaPo: John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump
Chicago Tribune: John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump
Newsday: John Kelly's parting shot: I nipped some of Trump's worst ideas
Vox: John Kelly’s exit interview lifts the curtain on the chaos within the Trump White House

<LikeReally5>

Obviously the military pullout, which Lindsay Graham is fighting fiercely to reverse, was not the brainchild of John Bolton, as so many in here believe who love to portray that man the way Rasputin was inaccurately portrayed by the Russian press during WWI, but the strategic brain trust of his highest security officials entrenched in the innermost triangle of generals: McMaster, Mattis, and Kelly. They are all gone, now, with Graham left to fight for their policies from outside the White House.

Per Feinstein & Reed, they're both actually being consistent, and supported Kelly from the start. We all know the game the Democrats have played shedding a flood of crocodile tears for ousted cabinet members who they previously portrayed as Mephisto figures upon confirmation, but Kelly enjoyed the support of every single member of the Senate except for one:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/31/us/politics/trump-cabinet-confirmation-votes.html

Catherine Cortez Masto (Nevada)

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Not sure what her issue was, but that stands out to me. I'll be hawking her for a bit going forward. Not sure what there is to dislike about Kelly. Even the lead obstructionists found no fault in him. That honor when to Kirsten Gillibrand of New York (Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and Jeff Merkley were all barely behind in the 2nd/3rd place packs).

The comment that stands out to me about immigration is the sensible awareness that WE ARE THE BAD GUYS-- YOU AND ME. EVERYDAY AMERICANS. ILLICIT DRUG USERS. WE CREATE THE MESS. NOT RACISTS. NOT DONALD TRUMP OR REPUBLICANS. NOT RICH GLOBALISTS IN THEIR LIZARD LAIRS. YOU WITH THAT BUMP OF COCAINE FOR FUN TO FEEL ALIVE IN THE CLUB ON FRIDAY NIGHT. YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.

There is a lot of focus on his comments about the wall. He sounds eerily like Obama and the Democrats before they went insane. Stronger security measures are definitely warranted, but the most cost effective strategies are not giant walls (however more effective on an absolute scale a grand wall might be).

But his comment that helping to expand economic opportunity in Central America, relieving their inferior governments of their incompetence, is a strategy that depends on economic aid however unsavory that might be to us. This isn't Africa. This isn't the Middle East. This is our backyard. Kelly and Trump's own administration curtailed these programs, so it shouldn't be a surprise if the caravans increase:
Trump’s Cuts to Central America Aid Will Lead to More Caravans

However, in the short term, continuing a trend that began under Obama, immigration hordes are at an all time low. That's the good news.

Worth the read.
 
Remember when he told Bob Woodward that Trump's an idiot and his supporters immediately said Woodward was just trying to sell a book? Or remember when those same people denied the rumours of Kelly wanting to leave in the first place?

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Trump supporters need to realize that their party, many of the people who've worked in the administration and Fox News have now began to turn on Trump. The walls are closing and you're going to look even more ridiculous every moment that you still defend and support this clown.

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Trump supporters need to realize that their party, many of the people who've worked in the administration and Fox News have now began to turn on Trump. The walls are closing and you're going to look even more ridiculous every moment that you still defend and support this clown.

LOL, you keep saying this like it's true. Remind me what Republican support for Trump is at this very moment.
 
LOL, you keep saying this like it's true. Remind me what Republican support for Trump is at this very moment.

You're a perfect example of doubling down on this clown and not being able to acknowledge anything that's actually happening. Ironically you're also one of those supporters who immediately downplayed the rumours of people in his administration leaving and every negative thing they've said about Trump since.

"Bob's just trying to sell a book." - @HereticBD


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What's not true? Fox news isn't turning on him? Should I post multiple videos of recent Fox News clips calling him out for once? What's not true, that many people in his administration have left? LOL every other day someone in a high position leaves and to you that somehow means nothing.. And the party turning on him? Have big time staunch Republicans not been calling out Trump lately? Whether it comes to how he's dealt with the Saudi Arabia murder, the current government shutdown and the border wall which Mexico was supposed to pay for??

Ya keep on living in a fantasy world where two European girls being killed in Morocco , or feminism is much more important to you than a clown for a president making idiotic decisions and lying repeatedly. Your talking points that you get from The_Donald are lame, try harder.

Your dishonesty and eagerness to deny all negativity about Trump is only going to make it a waste of time for anyone trying to explain these things to you. So have fun continuing to dick ride this bozo. I'm sure it will all pay off somehow eventually.. :rolleyes:
 
John F. Kelly says his tenure as Trump's chief of staff is best measured by what the president did not do

This important interview is being misrepresented in the liberal media which is just another reason I have lost faith in its ability to be professional and faithful to truth (I don't care if it's an Op-Ed if you misrepresent your source). The first outlet that made it known to me was NBC News while I was browsing Google News on my tablet, though I can't find that specific article right now, and it represented the interview as Kelly painting a picture of a White House in disarray under a President who acts solely on impulse and ego. That's nonsense. There is good and bad, here, but Kelly indicates the opposite of that.

WaPo: John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump
Chicago Tribune: John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump
Newsday: John Kelly's parting shot: I nipped some of Trump's worst ideas
Vox: John Kelly’s exit interview lifts the curtain on the chaos within the Trump White House

<LikeReally5>

Obviously the military pullout, which Lindsay Graham is fighting fiercely to reverse, was not the brainchild of John Bolton, as so many in here believe who love to portray that man the way Rasputin was inaccurately portrayed by the Russian press during WWI, but the strategic brain trust of his highest security officials entrenched in the innermost triangle of generals: McMaster, Mattis, and Kelly. They are all gone, now, with Graham left to fight for their policies from outside the White House.

Per Feinstein & Reed, they're both actually being consistent, and supported Kelly from the start. We all know the game the Democrats have played shedding a flood of crocodile tears for ousted cabinet members who they previously portrayed as Mephisto figures upon confirmation, but Kelly enjoyed the support of every single member of the Senate except for one:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/31/us/politics/trump-cabinet-confirmation-votes.html

Catherine Cortez Masto (Nevada)

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Not sure what her issue was, but that stands out to me. I'll be hawking her for a bit going forward. Not sure what there is to dislike about Kelly. Even the lead obstructionists found no fault in him. That honor when to Kirsten Gillibrand of New York (Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and Jeff Merkley were all barely behind in the 2nd/3rd place packs).

The comment that stands out to me about immigration is the sensible awareness that WE ARE THE BAD GUYS-- YOU AND ME. EVERYDAY AMERICANS. ILLICIT DRUG USERS. WE CREATE THE MESS. NOT RACISTS. NOT DONALD TRUMP OR REPUBLICANS. NOT RICH GLOBALISTS IN THEIR LIZARD LAIRS. YOU WITH THAT BUMP OF COCAINE FOR FUN TO FEEL ALIVE IN THE CLUB ON FRIDAY NIGHT. YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.

There is a lot of focus on his comments about the wall. He sounds eerily like Obama and the Democrats before they went insane. Stronger security measures are definitely warranted, but the most cost effective strategies are not giant walls (however more effective on an absolute scale a grand wall might be).

But his comment that helping to expand economic opportunity in Central America, relieving their inferior governments of their incompetence, is a strategy that depends on economic aid however unsavory that might be to us. This isn't Africa. This isn't the Middle East. This is our backyard. Kelly and Trump's own administration curtailed these programs, so it shouldn't be a surprise if the caravans increase:
Trump’s Cuts to Central America Aid Will Lead to More Caravans

However, in the short term, continuing a trend that began under Obama, immigration hordes are at an all time low. That's the good news.

Worth the read.

Did you enlist @abiG for formatting?
 
Who needs John Kelly and all these other nobodies when you got conspiracy theorists as your friends?

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#QAnon
 
Trump haters are kind of pathetic. A new thread every day crying at the direction your country is going. Lmao so sad.
 
Remember when he told Bob Woodward that Trump's an idiot and his supporters immediately said Woodward was just trying to sell a book? Or remember when those same people denied the rumours of Kelly wanting to leave in the first place?

TuKf61l.jpg




Trump supporters need to realize that their party, many of the people who've worked in the administration and Fox News have now began to turn on Trump. The walls are closing and you're going to look even more ridiculous every moment that you still defend and support this clown.

tenor.gif

Wow! It really sounds like this is it. But for real this time! But not like it was for reall all those other times. This time, it's for real for real!
 
John F. Kelly says his tenure as Trump's chief of staff is best measured by what the president did not do

This important interview is being misrepresented in the liberal media which is just another reason I have lost faith in its ability to be professional and faithful to truth (I don't care if it's an Op-Ed if you misrepresent your source). The first outlet that made it known to me was NBC News while I was browsing Google News on my tablet, though I can't find that specific article right now, and it represented the interview as Kelly painting a picture of a White House in disarray under a President who acts solely on impulse and ego. That's nonsense. There is good and bad, here, but Kelly indicates the opposite of that.

WaPo: John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump
Chicago Tribune: John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump
Newsday: John Kelly's parting shot: I nipped some of Trump's worst ideas
Vox: John Kelly’s exit interview lifts the curtain on the chaos within the Trump White House

<LikeReally5>

Obviously the military pullout, which Lindsay Graham is fighting fiercely to reverse, was not the brainchild of John Bolton, as so many in here believe who love to portray that man the way Rasputin was inaccurately portrayed by the Russian press during WWI, but the strategic brain trust of his highest security officials entrenched in the innermost triangle of generals: McMaster, Mattis, and Kelly. They are all gone, now, with Graham left to fight for their policies from outside the White House.

Per Feinstein & Reed, they're both actually being consistent, and supported Kelly from the start. We all know the game the Democrats have played shedding a flood of crocodile tears for ousted cabinet members who they previously portrayed as Mephisto figures upon confirmation, but Kelly enjoyed the support of every single member of the Senate except for one:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/31/us/politics/trump-cabinet-confirmation-votes.html

Catherine Cortez Masto (Nevada)

220px-Catherine_Cortez_Masto_official_portrait.jpg


Not sure what her issue was, but that stands out to me. I'll be hawking her for a bit going forward. Not sure what there is to dislike about Kelly. Even the lead obstructionists found no fault in him. That honor when to Kirsten Gillibrand of New York (Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and Jeff Merkley were all barely behind in the 2nd/3rd place packs).

The comment that stands out to me about immigration is the sensible awareness that WE ARE THE BAD GUYS-- YOU AND ME. EVERYDAY AMERICANS. ILLICIT DRUG USERS. WE CREATE THE MESS. NOT RACISTS. NOT DONALD TRUMP OR REPUBLICANS. NOT RICH GLOBALISTS IN THEIR LIZARD LAIRS. YOU WITH THAT BUMP OF COCAINE FOR FUN TO FEEL ALIVE IN THE CLUB ON FRIDAY NIGHT. YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.

There is a lot of focus on his comments about the wall. He sounds eerily like Obama and the Democrats before they went insane. Stronger security measures are definitely warranted, but the most cost effective strategies are not giant walls (however more effective on an absolute scale a grand wall might be).

But his comment that helping to expand economic opportunity in Central America, relieving their inferior governments of their incompetence, is a strategy that depends on economic aid however unsavory that might be to us. This isn't Africa. This isn't the Middle East. This is our backyard. Kelly and Trump's own administration curtailed these programs, so it shouldn't be a surprise if the caravans increase:
Trump’s Cuts to Central America Aid Will Lead to More Caravans

However, in the short term, continuing a trend that began under Obama, immigration hordes are at an all time low. That's the good news.

Worth the read.

All I read was that John Kelly is an idiot that can't defend why he believes we should stay in Afghanistan.
 
Wow! It really sounds like this is it. But for real this time! But not like it was for reall all those other times. This time, it's for real for real!

Yeah, Trump is in danger because Washington establishment folk are turning against him. Pay no mind to someone like myself who hasn't had this positive of a opinion on the Trump admin since he took office and opened with bankster give aways and tax cuts.

Notice the MSM doesn't melt down over those issues, only over ending our forever wars, illegal immigration, and trade. Aka the neo holy Trinity.
 
Yeah, Trump is in danger because Washington establishment folk are turning against him. Pay no mind to someone like myself who hasn't had this positive of a opinion on the Trump admin since he took office and opened with bankster give aways and tax cuts.

Notice the MSM doesn't melt down over those issues, only over ending our forever wars, illegal immigration, and trade. Aka the neo holy Trinity.

The establishment has been against him from day one. What President Trump's reign is showing us is that the establishment isn't as powerful as everyone thinks UNLESS you vote the way they want you to.

The people still have a voice in America, the only thing that can take that voice away is voting in establishment goons like Hillary or Ted Cruz.

I was a Ron Paul guy. I think Rand could do some good things as well. But for now, with Bernie sidelined by his own party, Trump is the only option really.

Who do we want instead? Jeb Bush?
 
Give a timeline. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

@LuchaBear (AKA multiple ban/kind of insane @bubba), has been saying the same thing for over a year now. He's convinced himself that Republicans are slowly but surely splintering off away from him, because they are embarrassed by him. The only problem with his theory, is that support from Republicans are at record highs, and have never wavered during his Presidency.

Any day now, though...it's gonna happen...
 
Give a timeline. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

A timeline for what you fucking dolt? Another The_Donald shitty talking point, yawn... Being able to acknowledge that things aren't going good and a timeline for when he's gone are two different things.

If your response to shitty decision making, constant lying and a garbage administration full of criminals and people leaving as only "this is It," then you've gone full retard.
 
I haven't read yet, but Kelly, as otherwise dastardly as I find him to be, strikes me as the type to actually be honest and not sugar coat it like that pansy Rex Tillerson (who Trump still derided as stupid and lazy anyways).
 
A timeline for what you fucking dolt? Another The_Donald shitty talking point, yawn... Being able to acknowledge that things aren't going good and a timeline for when he's gone are two different things.

If your response to shitty decision making, constant lying and a garbage administration full of criminals and people leaving as only "this is It," then you've gone full retard.

We've been hearing for 2 years that this is it. Well, when is it? Otherwise you're just being a baby and refusing to acknowledge that Trump is doing a better job than anyone could have expected so you're just holding out hope that something happens and then you can say 'I told you so.'
 
We've been hearing for 2 years that this is it. Well, when is it? Otherwise you're just being a baby and refusing to acknowledge that Trump is doing a better job than anyone could have expected so you're just holding out hope that something happens and then you can say 'I told you so.'

Considering how many of these "best people" from his own administration are leaving and calling his bullshit out.. You continuing to only focus on "this is it" says everything about his supporters like yourself. You truly don't give a shit about anything and you trying to make up this "he's done a better job than anyone expected" nonsense is proof of that.

Imagine your dumb ass repeating "This is it" over and over during Watergate.. That took two years by the way and this is much bigger and worst than that.

This is it = Not a response
 
Hopefully the military leadership exodus from his administration is a good sign. That Trump is getting us out of the Middle East.
 
Considering how many of these "best people" from his own administration are leaving and calling his bullshit out..

The saddest part about this failure or a post is that this thread is specifically about how that isn't actually happening.....
 
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