Chicago police under fire after 'bait truck' used to lure thieves

[tehend]

It's not about whether it's okay to steal- that debate was probably settled over a million years ago by an ancestor species. I would hope that we wouldn't have to waste our time sorting out something that humans knew from the start.

Baiting impoverished people with illegal, quick ways of getting money is not okay as a means unto itself. We should make sure that we're not doing that with sting operations, and we should determine this through independent review.

Why is it not ok? Because it's mean spirited?

 

[cincymma79]

Not hardly. One of the arguments against it is that they only get put up in black neighborhoods....... same with drug busts. White upper class people use drugs in about the same numbers numbers as poor black neighborhoods but get busted as much lower numbers,

So they should set these up in Beverly Hills
Or are you again saying black people cant help but steal since that’s essentially what you just said again

They drug busts are because they live in higher crime areas on average so there are more cops out looking for it

Show me the high crime white neighborhoods and I’ll show you the same data on drug busts

 

[franklinstower]

So they should set these up in Beverly Hills
Or are you again saying black people cant help but steal since that’s essentially what you just said again

They drug busts are because they live in higher crime areas on average so there are more cops out looking for it

Show me the high crime white neighborhoods and I’ll show you the same data on drug busts

You missed my point. Part of the argument against these set ups is that they only do it in black neighborhoods just like they only do stop and frisk in poor mostly black neighborhoods. Drug use especially is just as high in affluent white neighborhoods as it is in poor black neighborhoods. One of the credible arguments I've heard is that given these facts there is hypocrisy going on.

 

[BangersAndSmash]

I hate theives. Aint nothing like having shit you worked hard for stolen from you. As far as this sting catching theives? Oh well. Ypu should have integrity.

That being said.


The theives aint the fucking problem.

Its the mfers that shooting women and children and slanging heroin.

But nah... Lets fuck with an issue that has pretty much solved itself and then play like we are making an effort to help that particular community.

So these mother fuckers can sit and watch a supply truck, but cant sit and watch trap houses full of 15 Ninja's?

This is how you know the gangs and cops are working in Tandem.

This is in Chicago. The police know they have bigger fish to fry. The whole country knows they have bigger fish to fry.

Someone should set up a donut stand near the bait truck and leave it unattended and see what happens.

 

[panamaican]

You think it costs more or less when the criminals basically hand themselves in?

The cost of the van, the cost of the shoes, the cost of the manpower, etc. To bust criminals stealing $150 shoes. If they don't steal enough, you've only got a misdemeanor.

Catching thieves is certainly worthwhile but on a cost vs. return analysis, this isn't high on the list. By contrast, bait cars to catch car thieves makes more sense since the value of the stolen item is substantial.

 

[mooseman17]

Sounds like a huge waste of time. Maybe these cops should be out patrolling neighborhoods instead of entrapping people.

Why is this entrapment?

 

[cincymma79]

You missed my point. Part of the argument against these set ups is that they only do it in black neighborhoods just like they only do stop and frisk in poor mostly black neighborhoods. Drug use especially is just as high in affluent white neighborhoods as it is in poor black neighborhoods. One of the credible arguments I've heard is that given these facts there is hypocrisy going on.

Do you think this would work in Beverly Hills

 

[franklinstower]

Do you think this would work in Beverly Hills

Maybe. Obviously people that already have more money than they need are going to steal shoes less!


Stop and frisk would be just as successful in a a rich community though. You may get even more drug possession charges there.

 

[cincymma79]

Maybe. Obviously people that already have more money than they need are going to steal shoes less!


Stop and frisk would be just as successful in a a rich community though. You may get even more drug possession charges there.

Possible but I doubt very seriously you’ll get any felons with guns there waking around. Maybe a couple rappers

 

[franklinstower]

Possible but I doubt very seriously you’ll get any felons with guns there waking around. Maybe a couple rappers

Well that's just not true about the felonies. If you regularly target affluent or even middle class white people you would start getting a nice base of previous offenders for drugs and dealing and some weapons charges too.

Then you could go out and bust those damn felons and this in turn could prevent a great deal of future white collar crime by rooting out the scum.

 

[cincymma79]

Well that's just not true about the felonies. If you regularly target affluent or even middle class white people you would start getting a nice base of previous offenders for drugs and dealing and some weapons charges too.

Then you could go out and bust those damn felons and this in turn could prevent a great deal of future white collar crime by rooting out the scum.

Even if that was true, these aren’t high crime areas so why the effort?

 

[Brodels]

How in the god damn fuck is this even up for debate?

 

[Brodels]

Im finally going to Chicago next weekend. It would be fucking sweet if i could buy tickets to watch these thugs shoot each other.

 

[franklinstower]

Even if that was true, these aren’t high crime areas so why the effort?

They are high crime areas. Drug possession and drug dealing are crimes and they are in the same or more numbers as poor neighborhoods.

Then lets add some other kind of traps to set. How about we target white middle class men and make it legal to stop and frisk their laptops. How many partakers of child pornography do you think we might find? Do you think that number would be higher in poor black neighborhoods? It would not be and that by a fair margin.

All I am saying is that for whatever reason poor neighborhoods get fucked with at levels that are too high and affluent too low-- and it is the watchdogs job to point that out.

 

[Throwin Bombs]

The cost of the van, the cost of the shoes, the cost of the manpower, etc. To bust criminals stealing $150 shoes. If they don't steal enough, you've only got a misdemeanor.

Catching thieves is certainly worthwhile but on a cost vs. return analysis, this isn't high on the list. By contrast, bait cars to catch car thieves makes more sense since the value of the stolen item is substantial.

This probably never occurred to you but do you think that people who steal may have also committed other crimes previously that they are wanted for or may be committing another crime while stealing.

Also you really think Chicago PD went out to the store and bought a van and some Js just for this?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Waste of resources and time but fuck those assholes anyway


What is the counter argument outside of wasting tax dollars? Black people cant help but steal? Wtf?

That's essentially what it boils down to. The left has absolutely no expectations of black people other than that they vote democrat.

 

[Ripskater]

They are high crime areas. Drug possession and drug dealing are crimes and they are in the same or more numbers as poor neighborhoods.

Then lets add some other kind of traps to set. How about we target white middle class men and make it legal to stop and frisk their laptops. How many partakers of child pornography do you think we might find? Do you think that number would be higher in poor black neighborhoods? It would not be and that by a fair margin.

All I am saying is that for whatever reason poor neighborhoods get fucked with at levels that are too high and affluent too low-- and it is the watchdogs job to point that out.

A lot of these black neighborhoods elect big govt democrats to run their cities. So they shouldn't be surprised if their big govt politicians appoint police that are more aggressive at catching criminals. Every city has a ton more regulation and than places outside these cities. It just goes along with who they elect in cities.

 

[panamaican]

This probably never occurred to you but do you think that people who steal may have also committed other crimes previously that they are wanted for or may be committing another crime while stealing.

Also you really think Chicago PD went out to the store and bought a van and some Js just for this?

No, it occurred to me and I was going to write something snarky like "I doubt stealing sneakers is the gateway crime to high end robbery," but I feared you'd take it seriously.

Since it appears that you are taking it seriously...really? People stealing sneakers from an easily accessed, unguarded truck are probably taking advantage of a crime of opportunity, not career criminals without outstanding warrants for other crimes. And given the scenario here...what other crime do you think they're committing while taking sneakers out of an attended van?

No, I don't think Chicago PD just bought a van and some J's for this. But unless they were gifted the van and the J's, there was a cost somewhere along the line. And that's still before the manpower.

 

[franklinstower]

A lot of these black neighborhoods elect big govt democrats to run their cities. So they shouldn't be surprised if their big govt politicians appoint police that are more aggressive at catching criminals. Every city has a ton more regulation and than places outside these cities. It just goes along with who they elect in cities.

I am going to respectfully ask you not to address my posts my man. I dont want to quarrel with you but you have lost my respect on a level that is irredeemable through your past content. I am truly sorry to say this on a public forum but it is a sincere request. I realize I cannot force you to comply.

 

[Ripskater]

I am going to respectfully ask you not to address my posts my man. I dont want to quarrel with you but you have lost my respect on a level that is irredeemable through your past content. I am truly sorry to say this on a public forum but it is a sincere request. I realize I cannot force you to comply.

I'll still address your posts, because I disagree with some of your worldviews and theology. But I understand that you have differences with me and may not want to reply back. So that's fine and I understand.