Chael was the rightful MW champ (of WEC)

Mamou said:
Neither of those fighters were the champion. The UFC made the rules on that.

In a title fight, both fighters have to make weight or it's a non title fight, regardless of who missed weight.
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no one is disputing that.
 
Mamou said:
Because it wasn't a MW title fight after Filho missed weight, didn't think it was that hard to comprehend.
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In boxing, which the unified rules are derived from, it's standard custom to have a contender challenge for a vacant belt if the champ misses weight for a title fight.

It was the WEC's decision to reclassify it as a non-title fight, when they could've made it for the belt.

I don't usually stick up for Chael, but he should've been allowed to challenge for the vacant belt.
 
Fight Professor said:
These situations are tricky and not exactly fair to the fighter that showed up and made weight.

When Aldo did not show up to fight Conor the first time, Conor had to fight dangerous steroid cream Mendes for a fake belt. It was not fair to Conor but what can you do? The opponent not making weight is a similar scenario where both fighters have to make weight.
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What does a scenario where a champ misses weight have to do with a champ dropping out of the fight due to injury?

McGregor opted to fight a different opponent on short notice for an interim belt. Also, Mendes made weight despite not being in camp when he got the call, and he wasn't in shape, so it worked to McGregor's favor.


It's common practice in boxing for challengers to be able to fight for a vacant belt if the champ misses weight for a title fight, and the UFC let Benavidez challenge for the vacant Flyweight title even though Figueiredo missed weight.
 
No Skill Gap said:
Why not?

Only the person missing weight has the advantage. At that point you're arguing semantic which are almost entirely illogical and irrational. I think we can all be reasonable human beings and say hey...if the champion misses weight by 1-2 pounds hypothetically, the challenger who made weight should still be able to fight for the belt.
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Well that's your opinion...

The reality is that it's a non title fight because both fighters did not make the weight
 
Chart69r said:
I still can't fathom how he wasn't given that title in the second Filho fight. Filho missed weight and should therefore not have been eligible to win the title (vacate it if he won.)

Chael should have been the WEC champ.
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Chael said Filho actually sent him the belt...look into it.
 
GSPSAKU said:
The champ missed weight meaning he has a weight advantage. If the challenger defeats him, the challenger should be the rightful champ. If the challenger loses, the champion is stripped of the title. It's not that hard to follow. Why penalize the guy who made weight and won the fight?

But we have stupid, archaic rules in place that make absolutely no sense.
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It is no longer a MW fight if one misses weight... it's not that hard to understand.

Chael knew he could not win the title after Filho missed weight. It's the exact same when the challenger misses weight, it's no longer a title defense because it's no longer a fight at the contracted weight.
 
Phisher said:
In boxing, which the unified rules are derived from, it's standard custom to have a contender challenge for a vacant belt if the champ misses weight for a title fight.

It was the WEC's decision to reclassify it as a non-title fight, when they could've made it for the belt.

I don't usually stick up for Chael, but he should've been allowed to challenge for the vacant belt.
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1. It's not boxing

2. The WEC isn't the only org that did that, the UFC does the exact same thing. That's why guys like Anderson and Whittaker do not have an extra title defense.

3. No he shouldn't have because it was no longer a MW fight with a title on the line
 
Filho's career makes me so sad. He could have been so good. I was always waiting for his comeback. Somewhere, him and Arona are hopping on TRT and gearing for a return..
 
From what I know, the WEC could have stripped Filho and just given it to Chael to officially make him the champ. Any athletic commission wouldn't have any authority to override this act. This probably didn't happen because they were going under.
 
No one has that gif where Filho takes a few seconds to even face Chael in the stand up?
 
Mamou said:
1. It's not boxing

2. The WEC isn't the only org that did that, the UFC does the exact same thing. That's why guys like Anderson and Whittaker do not have an extra title defense.

3. No he shouldn't have because it was no longer a MW fight with a title on the line
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1. North American MMA is sanctioned by the Association of Boxing Commissions. Most of the standards and practices are derived from boxing, ie the ten point must system.

2. Silva/Lutter and Whittaker/Romero 2 are not comparable situations. When the challenger doesn't make weight, he's not eligible to win the title, so the belt isn't being defended.

Also, you're wrong about the UFC not using the same rule. We saw a similar scenario just a few months ago when Benavidez fought Figueiredo for the vacant FlyW title.

Figueiredo couldn't win the belt because he missed weight, but it was still on the line for Benavidez even though it was technically a catchweight bout.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020...n-plus-27-norfolk-title-fight-benavidez-video

This is the exact standard that should have been applied in Chael/Filho 2. WEC management shit the bed because a champ missing weight hadn't happened yet in a major MMA org, and surprising, hasn't happened since.

3. See 2.
 
To all those who think was a travesty, know that Filho did send Chael the belt.

But as many said, Filhos should not have fought at that time.

So maybe Sonnen should have been an interim at best.
 
Paulo knew that and thats why he gave him the belt. Chael was never champ on paper but he physically owns Paulo's WEC belt.
 
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