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Chael was the rightful MW champ (of WEC)

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  1. The Schmoop Red Belt

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    no one is disputing that.
     
  2. pankrat Brown Belt

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    Did you see their first fight?
     
  3. superpunch Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Country Chael deals with Sherdog heckler

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  4. Phisher Gold Belt

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    In boxing, which the unified rules are derived from, it's standard custom to have a contender challenge for a vacant belt if the champ misses weight for a title fight.

    It was the WEC's decision to reclassify it as a non-title fight, when they could've made it for the belt.

    I don't usually stick up for Chael, but he should've been allowed to challenge for the vacant belt.
     
  5. Phisher Gold Belt

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    What does a scenario where a champ misses weight have to do with a champ dropping out of the fight due to injury?

    McGregor opted to fight a different opponent on short notice for an interim belt. Also, Mendes made weight despite not being in camp when he got the call, and he wasn't in shape, so it worked to McGregor's favor.


    It's common practice in boxing for challengers to be able to fight for a vacant belt if the champ misses weight for a title fight, and the UFC let Benavidez challenge for the vacant Flyweight title even though Figueiredo missed weight.
     
  6. Mamou Black Belt

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    Well that's your opinion...

    The reality is that it's a non title fight because both fighters did not make the weight
     
  7. BEATDOWNS Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Chael said Filho actually sent him the belt...look into it.
     
  8. Mamou Black Belt

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    It is no longer a MW fight if one misses weight... it's not that hard to understand.

    Chael knew he could not win the title after Filho missed weight. It's the exact same when the challenger misses weight, it's no longer a title defense because it's no longer a fight at the contracted weight.
     
  9. Mamou Black Belt

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    Then what the fuck are you guys complaining about?
     
  10. gono btw Rounds...

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    Yes, Sir!
     
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  11. Mamou Black Belt

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    1. It's not boxing

    2. The WEC isn't the only org that did that, the UFC does the exact same thing. That's why guys like Anderson and Whittaker do not have an extra title defense.

    3. No he shouldn't have because it was no longer a MW fight with a title on the line
     
  12. pankrat Brown Belt

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    Domination until the sub, right Miss?
     
  13. superpunch Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Filho's career makes me so sad. He could have been so good. I was always waiting for his comeback. Somewhere, him and Arona are hopping on TRT and gearing for a return..
     
  14. Brom Bones Purple Belt

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    From what I know, the WEC could have stripped Filho and just given it to Chael to officially make him the champ. Any athletic commission wouldn't have any authority to override this act. This probably didn't happen because they were going under.
     
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  15. gono btw Rounds...

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    Filho was already addicted by the time he left Pride.

    It iz what it iz.
     
  16. pankrat Brown Belt

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    And always juiced as hell yeah
     
  17. StM682 Blue Belt

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    No one has that gif where Filho takes a few seconds to even face Chael in the stand up?
     
  18. Phisher Gold Belt

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    1. North American MMA is sanctioned by the Association of Boxing Commissions. Most of the standards and practices are derived from boxing, ie the ten point must system.

    2. Silva/Lutter and Whittaker/Romero 2 are not comparable situations. When the challenger doesn't make weight, he's not eligible to win the title, so the belt isn't being defended.

    Also, you're wrong about the UFC not using the same rule. We saw a similar scenario just a few months ago when Benavidez fought Figueiredo for the vacant FlyW title.

    Figueiredo couldn't win the belt because he missed weight, but it was still on the line for Benavidez even though it was technically a catchweight bout.

    https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020...n-plus-27-norfolk-title-fight-benavidez-video

    This is the exact standard that should have been applied in Chael/Filho 2. WEC management shit the bed because a champ missing weight hadn't happened yet in a major MMA org, and surprising, hasn't happened since.

    3. See 2.
     
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    To all those who think was a travesty, know that Filho did send Chael the belt.

    But as many said, Filhos should not have fought at that time.

    So maybe Sonnen should have been an interim at best.
     
  20. DanAndroid Living vicariously through Dillon Danis.

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    Paulo knew that and thats why he gave him the belt. Chael was never champ on paper but he physically owns Paulo's WEC belt.
     

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