Chael Sonnen Hands Joe Rogan his Ass.

Chael is such a weird guy

He’s like an accountant or office worker type guy but pretty hard
 
The "Man in the Arena" defense is completely irrelevant to the very real and valid points Rogan made about Khabib's terrible striking habits (i.e. moving straight backwards, often with hands down, while raising the chin).

I don't understand all the white knighting of Khabib.
 
I didn’t think he ripped Rogan but he made a good point, you can try to rely too much on the “trained eye” in mma.

It exists but some take it too seriously.
 
Rogan was way out of line and over the top. This is known and admitted.

However, he was commenting on Khabib's striking, and I believe, he his point was that he is vulnerable going forward striking that way. Either later in the fight vs Al, or in future fights. And that is normal.

Chael didn't get that part I guess. Many fighters PERFORM good at times, in areas while having major holes/weaknesses, and then those weaknesses get exploited later in the fight or in future fights. Chael didn't understand that I guess.
 
JoeyDiaz420 said:
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That fight was faker than the McGregor/Mendes fight.
 
LouisBolanos said:
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Saying Rogaine can't criticize Khalabeeb because 1. Rogaine never fought MMA and 2. Khalabeeb had dominant performance is like saying Ebert can't criticize Michael Bay's Transformers because 1. Ebert never directed a blockbuster movie and 2. Transformers had dominant box office performance.

Popcorn gonna pop, Chael gonna Chael.
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Are you saying Chael's wrong? There are certain things you cannot understand without having gone through them and I will say, fighting is one of them so to compare a film critic critiquing a movie or a director's film is absurd.

Reminds me of listening to Nick Wright of FoxSports talk about LeBron and the NBA (Wright played high school ball) talking about how LeBron is the best (very debatable) but also how LeBron is the most feared NBA player since Shaq and MJ. Jim Jackson and Stephen Jackson both came on the show and set him straight and said "until you play in the NBA, you have no clue what's what". I thought it was harsh but both Jackson's had a point; they said until you play against LeBron, you really have no idea what it is like or what is going through a player's mind when they are playing against LeBron. Both Jackson's agreed that Kobe Bryant was more feared by his fellow peers because of his tenacity, his will and desire to win and the fact he would not give an inch.

So while I usually don't give credence to the whole notion of "you can't truly understand it until you have done it", there are many things in life that do fall into that category and fighting is one of them.
 
I agree to some degree. When you punch someone in the face, the damage matters, not the style. Even the most awkward and unorthodox strikes can get the job done. Beautiful techniques and smooth movement might get you fans and leverage to negotiate your contract, but won't necessarily win you any fights.
 
LouisBolanos said:
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Saying Rogaine can't criticize Khalabeeb because 1. Rogaine never fought MMA and 2. Khalabeeb had dominant performance is like saying Ebert can't criticize Michael Bay's Transformers because 1. Ebert never directed a blockbuster movie and 2. Transformers had dominant box office performance.

Popcorn gonna pop, Chael gonna Chael.
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Do you seriously think Rogaine is funny? I mean I don’t even think a 13 year old would find that clever.
 
It's about time Chael wore makeup for these Beyond the Fight videos.

He looked low rent in some of those driving videos.
 
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Are you saying Chael's wrong? There are certain things you cannot understand without having gone through them and I will say, fighting is one of them so to compare a film critic critiquing a movie or a director's film is absurd.
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There's nothing absurd about it. The man in the arena argument is a bullshit cop out. There are certain things you cannot understand about directing a feature film without having gone through directing a feature film, there are certainly thing you will not understand about making cars without making a car yourself....I could go on and on. By that absurd logic unless if you're a polymath like Leonardo motherfucking Da Vinci you cannot criticize anything.

Reminds me of listening to Nick Wright of FoxSports talk about LeBron and the NBA (Wright played high school ball) talking about how LeBron is the best (very debatable) but also how LeBron is the most feared NBA player since Shaq and MJ. Jim Jackson and Stephen Jackson both came on the show and set him straight and said "until you play in the NBA, you have no clue what's what". I thought it was harsh but both Jackson's had a point; they said until you play against LeBron, you really have no idea what it is like or what is going through a player's mind when they are playing against LeBron. Both Jackson's agreed that Kobe Bryant was more feared by his fellow peers because of his tenacity, his will and desire to win and the fact he would not give an inch.
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Replace LeBron with a world class film director, world class musician, world class scientist and you can make the exact same argument. LeBron James doesn't have the first bloody clue what it takes for Samsung's chief engineers to research and design their newest shit, I bet he can't even pass 200 level college calculus. Does that mean LeBron can't complain about his newest Samsung phone? What it takes to dunk a basketball or to fight are nothing compared to the black magic engineers can do with modern consumer electronics.

So while I usually don't give credence to the whole notion of "you can't truly understand it until you have done it", there are many things in life that do fall into that category and fighting is one of them.
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A person will not come close to fully appreciating what it takes to do something at a high level if that's not their field, that doesn't just apply to fighting, it applies to just about anything, and the logic that you can't criticize something unless if you're an expert is absurd. There's also nothing special about fighting and professional sports. On the hierarchy of all human achievements, professional sports are close to the very bottom. What humans accomplish with modern science and medicine absolutely shit all over what elite athletes can do. Me with a gun from 1900s >> all MMA fighters.
 
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Replace LeBron with a world class film director, world class musician, world class scientist and you can make the exact same argument. LeBron James doesn't have the first bloody clue what it takes for Samsung's chief engineers to research and design their newest shit, I bet he can't even pass 200 level college calculus. Does that mean LeBron can't complain about his newest Samsung phone? What it takes to dunk a basketball or to fight are nothing compared to the black magic engineers can do with modern consumer electronics.
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devil's advocate here- agree with most of what you have there but it could be argued the difference in fighting and a cell phone though is that the cell phone is completely designed to look/perform to please the customer- meanwhile fighting is to achieve an end of winning. it's therefore much more objective, expecially in khabib's case he's not fighting to entertain anyone (and yes I know this isn't a sustainable business model to have these type fighters as the norm)- so criticizing a fighter's technique when they are successful (and you haven't been out there yourself) is a tough thing to do
 
I stand in the middle. It is fine to note holes in the skillset of the fighters who are fighting, even if they are winning.

Khabib was getting tagged a bit moving backwards, and seemed to react badly to the prospect of getting hit. I think Rogan went overboard and was one sided, since Khabib did very well offensively. It is clear his defense still needs some work. He also could integrate his striking and wrestling more seamlessly, rather than shuttling between the two clumsily. But he keeps improving a great deal.

To say that because Khabib won he is not liable to criticism seems excessive imo.
 
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devil's advocate here- agree with most of what you have there but it could be argued the difference in fighting and a cell phone though is that the cell phone is completely designed to look/perform to please the customer- meanwhile fighting is to achieve an end of winning. it's therefore much more objective, expecially in khabib's case he's not fighting to entertain anyone (and yes I know this isn't a sustainable business model to have these type fighters as the norm)- so criticizing a fighter's technique when they are successful (and you haven't been out there yourself) is a tough thing to do
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Winning is subjective, Khabib's win against Iaquinta for example was via judges' decision, meaning he performed to please the judges, which is not that different to how a piece of consumer electronics pleases customers.

This doesn't even take into account what it takes to research, create and perfect the thousands of technologies underneath a modern mobile phone aren't even remotely in the same ballpark as what it takes to develop and perfect skills in MMA. Elite scientists and engineers operate on a level that's far beyond what MMA fighters could imagine. They made a weapon that could wipe out hundreds of thousands at the blink of an eye in the 1940s, as a byproduct of trying to understand the atom. That's high level black magic. In contrast, elite prize fighters whose sole focus is fighting can't even beat full grown chimpanzees.

This doesn't mean a Samsung engineer who's a casual MMA fan and doesn't have a clue what it takes to become a world class grappler can't shit on Khabib's performance, or that Khabib who doesn't have a clue how SSDs even work can't shit on his new Samsung phone.
 
LouisBolanos said:
Winning is subjective, Khabib's win against Iaquinta for example was via judges' decision, meaning he performed to please the judges, which is not that different to how a piece of consumer electronics pleases customers..
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Yea, I can't compete with that and have no idea how a fight fan can say that.
 
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