Chad Mendes fight with McGregor - Questions

[Raul24]

 

[Sibbers]

Conor bet Dana and a bunch of money according to him, on winning in R2. If that's true, imagine what trying to not lose, but also not win in R1 would look like. I watched it again and it looks plausible that's for sure. Also Chad looks beat from before the first round starts.

 

[Shoot Boxe Hero]

I believe it played a factor, as did Conor supposedly not being able to train wrestling because of his knee. That fight was Conor's toughest fight and the only time he was ever in some trouble. I'd like to see a rematch with both fighters fully prepared

 

[BiC]

Also against a healthy McGregor?
Mendes was not the only one at a disadvantage.
They were both so far away from the 100%, the fight's not indicative at all of what they're capable of.

I doubt we'll ever get the opportunity to see this fight again. The casuals don't look behind the scenes, they just see a guy who got knocked out by conor

It's easy, really. Gather statistics of people who have given their age.
The mean age will not be too far away.
Law of large numbers.
It's a thing. Statistically.

I'd like to see the numbers. I wonder if Sherdog uses Adwords to track the age demographic on this forum.

 

[wookie brawl]

Full camp Mendes would've truly hurt Conor on the ground, as we've briefly seen on the fight. On the feet, Mendes would still get destroyed - regardless.
But Conor wasn't preparing for a wrestler, so it all balances out. Conor would beat Mendes on any given situation.

 

[Blackened]

I doubt we'll ever get the opportunity to see this fight again. The casuals don't look behind the scenes, they just see a guy who got knocked out by conor




I'd like to see the numbers. I wonder if Sherdog uses Adwords to track the age demographic on this forum.

Based on the old "Go fishing in Canada" and "Viagra" ads this site used to have, I imagine not... then again, maybe the forum members are just senile and not kids after all.

 

[ChickenNugget]

I doubt we'll ever get the opportunity to see this fight again. The casuals don't look behind the scenes, they just see a guy who got knocked out by conor




I'd like to see the numbers. I wonder if Sherdog uses Adwords to track the age demographic on this forum.

I can tell you this, they 're not tracking me. All of the scripts are blocked on my side

I agree with the rest of what you say.

 

[Head Clean Off]

I'd give the majority of users on this forum a 12-20 age demographic. I'm learning not to expect much lol

gassed in two minutes because of short notice? dude not even a grandpa

 

[Pikkon]

First of all it was not 2 weeks, he had 5 or 6 weeks to prepare since they told him to be ready if Aldo or Conor got injured, which pro athlete gas in the first round? No one has that bad cardio, if you watched the fight with close cage sound you would hear that those kicks was not soft, if only one hits your liver and it does not even have to a be a hard shot you will feel almost as you get kicked in the balls, all the energy runs out.

And funny how we ignore that Conor also got a change of opponent from a striker to a wrestler and he oh yeah.... he was injured!

 

[Loriquero]

I thought Mendes was going to win easily that fight,he has a nightmare style for Conor. Conor is such a badass taking that fight on short notice, Not even Jones had the cojones to take a fight against Sonnen in short notice. Props for Conor, he deserves everything he is living right now. And maybe he was the cryptonite against Aldo. Like Cain was the cryptonite against JDS.
After saying this, I think is 50%-50% against RDA, and Frankie is going to smash him the same way he did against Cub.

 

[irishzombie]

Mendes always gasses

it's just he never fought someone like Conor that presses and made him pay for gassing

do you really think Mendes was not training at all for that fight , knowing Aldo's history of pulling ?

i think he put out a few tweets about being out hunting or something and he was drinking beer too ( Wow )

I bet you Mendes was a lot more conditioned than he has admitted

And i bet now that Faber and Conor have become friends you will not hear that excuse of a short camp Mendes used again by Faber or Mendes because it's simply not true

Also look what a bum like Chael was able to do to a prime Anderson Silva ( the greatest off all time )

He dominated him everywhere , on the feet and on the ground and made him look ordinary for 5 full rounds , Silva never looked like winning up until the sub

Conor dominated Chad on the feet , he didn't do much off his back but anyone that has ever seen Conor enter the octogan knows that he was not himself and he clearly looked ill and under the weather

He still knocked him out in 2 rounds like he predicted

 

[Royhalibut]

The fight is wrongly used for analysis. It's a clear outlier considering the circumstances of the fight. Here's a possibly incomplete list of what was going on back then.


Based on my thread here.

About that ACL tear and Conor fighting. It's not an excuse, either you can fight or you can't. I've had 2 ACL tears, and one knee was fine for several years, it was completely fine for whatever reason. With the other, my knee would just give out doing certain movements. So , really if you can fight, then you fight, but if you can't then you won't. It's not about being tough really. He fought, so he was fine, and can't use it as an excuse.

 

[LB King]

I have no problem admitting I'm slightly biased toward Mendes. I have no ill will toward Mcgregor and I am a fan of his fighting style. Just because I want someone to win does not mean I'm going to to overlook the skills of their opponent. Judging by your AV I would guess you're more than slightly biased.

I ask this question because a lot of the things Mendes did were uncharacteristic to how he usually fights. If he had a 6 week training camp that would equate to a month more to get back in to shape. That's a hell of a lot more time than 2 weeks.

I think you'd be surprised just how out of shape professional fighters get outside of fight camp. Even taking a week off from intense training could make the biggest difference. I find myself asking this question a lot when reading these idiotic posts. Have you grappled, wrestled, or boxed before? Did you see how out of shape Jon Jones used to get outside of camp? Prior to him hitting the weights? I'm guessing you recently became a fan of combat sports, huh?

I do take in to account that McGregor's knee was injured and I WOULD like to see the results of this fight if both fighters were healthy and in shape.

But you agree he made weight, right? He was in shape. He was ready to go. He did uncharacteristic things because he had never faced anything like he did that night. I don't think there is no version of Mendes that could ever beat Conor.

 

[ChickenNugget]

About that ACL tear and Conor fighting. It's not an excuse, either you can fight or you can't. I've had 2 ACL tears, and one knee was fine for several years, it was completely fine for whatever reason. With the other, my knee would just give out doing certain movements. So , really if you can fight, then you fight, but if you can't then you won't. It's not about being tough really. He fought, so he was fine, and can't use it as an excuse.

I agree. The same holds for Mendes though., whether it's short notice or not. I still think it has affected both fighters in such a way that an analysis of what both are capable of is difficult.
Saying this is not making excuses in my book.

 

[BiC]

But you agree he made weight, right? He was in shape. He was ready to go. He did uncharacteristic things because he had never faced anything like he did that night. I don't think there is no version of Mendes that could ever beat Conor.

I agree he made weight, but LOL at that having anything to do with him being in fighting shape.

 

[johncola]

Mendes looked gassed like 1 minute into the fight. There's no way that was caused by just not being in fight shape. The effects of not being in shape would have been seen later into the fight. Not being in shape would mean a lack of endurance as a fight goes on. That isn't what we saw in this fight. Chad had an adrenaline dump early. The pressure of the moment with all the loud fans, the live music, and the pressure Conor was putting on him both before and in the fight, is what caused the adrenaline dump. Mendes was always gonna be tired for that fight due to these circumstances. The short camp and Conor's body kicks just exacerbated things for Chad.

 

[Croton]

Rewatching the fight cemented in my mind that Conor entered that fight in far far worse condition than Mendes did.

 

[BigDaddyBach]

For me the thing was Conor looked sicker, shittier than any fighter I have ever seen in MMA when he performed at 189. We can talk about who had more of an advantage, and sure, Chad would have likely performed better if he had a full camp but on fight night, Conor looked 10000 times worse.

That being said, any wrestler slows down after 2-3 hard rounds and what was so impressive was Conor's mental game; he didn't become gun shy, broken or tentative like every other fighter that we have seen spend two rounds on their back. Like Luke Thomas said, you never see a fighter charge the wrestler/takedown artist after spending two rounds on their back. Heck, look at his teammates Artem and Gunni, after Ryan Hall and Maya had them down down for just 1 round; it was as if they completely forgot how to strike and went into defensive shells. It is easy to say "what is a takendown or 2 or 3 in a fight to the death" but Conor really believes it and proved it.

There are countless examples, JDS vs Cain 2,3, BJ vs GSP 2, GSP vs anyone really, Vitor vs anyone that made it outta round 1 with him, Cormier vs Rumble, etc, etc. Being on your back makes 99.9% of fighters desperate; makes them work extra hard, blow their load and mentally and physically exhausts them. Conor really showed how mentally strong he was and what a true anomaly he is as a fighter (the type of fighter BJ Penn believed BJ Penn wasl i.e. "to the death Georges"). Even if Chad had him down for 1-2 more rounds, we saw no signs of mental fatigue in Conor and saw an incredibly efficient, yet consistently potent, fighter. It would be absurd for an Irish fighter (or any non wrestling based fighter) and his coach to expect that they would never get taken down in the UFC and everything Kav and Conor said before the fight shows that they painstakingly practiced efficiency on the bottom, maintaining mental acuity, presence of mind and awareness.

Also, the cookie cuts both ways. As I said, that was by far the worst, most sickly and weakest Conor will ever be and I have no reason to doubt that he was seriously banged up and ill as it was reported. At 194 he looked like a completely different animal; fresh, buoyant and healthy. A picture is worth a thousand word and the top pictured fighter is much farther from optimal operating levels than the bottom pictured fighter.

 

[jeremyemilio]

The fight is wrongly used for analysis. It's a clear outlier considering the circumstances of the fight. Here's a possibly incomplete list of what was going on back then.


Based on my thread here.

Pretty much this. Both guys should be credited with taking the fight and saving the event. Conor won under the circumstances that were in place. That will need to do for now, but it doesn't really give us a lot to go on if we're trying to glean information from the fight.

A rematch would be nice to see, but things need to play themselves out in a very specific way to make that happen and right now it's a number of fights into the future.

 

[J-Pac]

It was a combination of the 2 weeks notice and the body kicks. I think the result would've been the same though. McGregor finished him in 2, which is still pretty early in the fight. He puts on an insane pace and those kicks were nasty stabbing body shots. He iced Mendes good.