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Law Centrist Virginia Democrats stab unions in the back again

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Trotsky, Feb 12, 2020.

  1. Trotsky Banned Banned

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    When people ask what sort of centrism brought us Trump and what kind of centrism desperately needs to be purged from the Democratic Party, you can send them this article. Democrats trying to compete with Republicans for the affections of corporate management rather than side with workers is poison for the country.


    VA Democrats Kill Pro-Union Bill After Learning CEOs Oppose It

    Virginia isn’t for workers. Old Dominion is currently one of only three states to explicitly bar all public-sector employees from bargaining collectively. It was also one of the first states to enact a “right to work” law — a policy that undermines organized labor by allowing workers who join a unionized shop to enjoy the benefits of a collective-bargaining agreement without paying dues to the union that negotiated it. This encourages other workers to skirt their dues, which can then drain a union of the funds it needs to survive.

    Virginia’s labor policy doesn’t just hurt the union movement, or the minority of Virginians who would gain access to collective bargaining under more liberal laws; it also undermines labor standards across the state’s economy. In 2018, the anti-poverty organization Oxfam America set out to identify the best and worst places in the U.S. to work. They judged all 50 states (plus the District of Columbia) on the following criteria:

    Wage policies: Has the state raised the minimum wage to help workers earn a living wage? Do localities have capacity to raise the minimum wage to accommodate higher costs of living?

    Worker protection policies: Does the state provide protections at work for situations such as paid sick leave, pregnancy, and equal pay?

    Right to organize policies: Does the state guarantee that workers have the right to organize and sustain a trade union?​

    Virginia came in dead last.

    In 2019, the Democratic Party won the power to change that. For the first time in a quarter-century, every branch of Virginia’s government is now true blue. And last week, the state’s General Assembly passed a bill establishing a right to collective bargaining for Virginia’s public-sector employees. If signed into law, that legislation should have a significant impact on the state’s unionization rate.

    But the right-to-work repeal did not fare so well. After gaining some momentum in recent weeks, the bill ultimately lost support after a fiscal estimate predicted it would cost the state millions of dollars. As the Virginia Mercury reports:

    Del. Lee Carter, D-Manassas, had proposed a full-scale repeal of the law, legislation unanimously endorsed by Democrats on the Labor and Commerce Committee. But the bill was sent to appropriations to weigh the potential impact on the state’s budget, which the Virginia Economic Development Partnership estimated at between $9 and $25 million a year as a result of projects lost to other states.​

    You might be wondering how the VEDP went about calculating those figures. As it happens, the primary basis for its estimate appears to be a poll taken of corporate executives and consultants who — in a shocking turn of events — said that they actually like it when states suppress the bargaining power of their workers:

    Area Development annually surveys corporate executives and site consultants on factors that impact location decisions. In their most recent survey published in 2019, more than 70% of corporate executives and more than 78% of site-selection consultants indicated it is “important” or “very important” for a state to have “right to work” for location decisions.​

    The concern raised by the VEDP is hardly implausible. Capital is highly mobile within the United States and the “race to the bottom” is a real phenomenon. It’s conceivable that repealing right-to-work would cost Virginia some development projects. This said, as a magnet for investment, Virginia has plenty going for it besides subpar labor standards. The state has one of best-educated workforces in the country. Its proximity to the nation’s capital makes it a natural site for military contractors and a wide range of other businesses that benefit from ready access to D.C. Beyond the ethical question of whether the state should acquiesce to the race to the bottom rather than resisting the logic of low-road capitalism, it’s far from clear that modestly increasing Virginia workers’ bargaining power would substantially reduce corporate investment in the state. Further, to the extent that labor reform does produce higher prevailing wages for Virginia workers, this could raise internal consumer demand in the state, and thus, economic growth. In 2018, a team of economists at Princeton University published a study that examined (among other things) the relationship between state-level rates of union density and per capita GDP between 1940 and 2009. They found a small positive correlation between high unionization rates and high rates of economic growth.

    Virginia would, perhaps, be an exception to this rule. But if you are going to produce a fiscal estimate of right-to-work repeal that posits a negative relationship between increasing labor rights and economic growth — in defiance of the pattern established by a rigorous analysis of 69 years’ worth of state-level economic data — your study should probably have a stronger empirical basis than “We asked some bosses if they prefer to operate in places where they don’t need to pay workers well and 70 percent said ‘yes.’”

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  2. Dirt Road Soldier All Praise To The Gun!

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    I see 0 reason to force people to join unions. If you want them to join and pay dues, convince them to. If you cant, that's your own fault and you dont deserve their membership.
     
  3. Farmer Br0wn Farmer Br0wn belt

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    Dear Virgina Democratic leadership:

    Please keep doing what you're doing. Between the gun thing and this union thing, you're making our jobs much easier.

    Signed
    -President Trump's reelection team.
     
  4. Trotsky Banned Banned

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    Huh?

    It's been illegal to force someone to join a union for 70 years.

    The bill was establishing a right to, if a public shop's workers want to, establish a union for collective bargaining. Currently, collective bargaining for public workers is banned outright.
     
  5. Dirt Road Soldier All Praise To The Gun!

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    The article spike about that bill, and a failed bill to repeal right to work. I was commenting on that aspect of the article.
     
  6. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Would you say the same thing about taxes? i choose not to pay taxes, yet i get to indirectly enjoy the benefits of living in a country with proper functioning institutions.
     
  7. Quipling classical conservative

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    Didn't VA unions oppose va centrist Dems? Seems more of a frontstabbing imo.
     
  8. machidafan99 Gold Belt

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    pensions for all or pensions for none! bwaaa hum bug!
     
  9. John Dutton You’re the trailer park I’m the tornado

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    Don’t worry bro. NOVA always does/backs the right things.
     
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    I used to live in Virginia. Unfortunately full of corporate cocksucking centrist Democrats. I was living in VA when I voted for the first time, for Kerry, which turned out to be a waste of time and energy. And now him and his ilk are trying to fuck Bernie out of the nomination. Again.
     
  11. HunterSdVa29 Respect, tho

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    Federal public service workers have a union, at least DoD ones do, even in Virginia

    I was in it when I worked for MCCS at Quantico
     
  12. John Dutton You’re the trailer park I’m the tornado

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    Business development all damn day over unions. Bunch of people in this thread hate money. Lmao!
     
  13. John Dutton You’re the trailer park I’m the tornado

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    I've been in a union twice. Once as a grocery store worker. Another as a govt employee. Unions I find are fighting the wrong fights. Instead of fighting to keep our jobs and our benefits. They fought to keep the slackers jobs. Or the oldest members, they fought to keep their benefits great. I never saw the good the unions actually did, as they spent most of their effort on Don quxoite type efforts.
     
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    When you can point to non-union workers enjoying higher wages and better benefits than union workers in comparably sized companies in the same geographic region with equivalent job descriptions I might take a moment to seriously reflect on whether or not organized labor benefits workers.

    Until then... GTF outta here.
     

  16. We need this kind of anger and outspoken protest. The DNC and corporate dems need to fear us instead of take us for granted.
     

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  18. ElKarlo Titanium Belt

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    Unions fought the wrong fight and that is why they are on the decline. Instead of fighting to keep their workers safe from external threats, they fought to keep benefits good for the older members. It's seen time and again. Which is why unions basically only exist in a few industries that can't be off shored and that don't compete with low skilled immigrants. Show me a case where the non union members are actually in an industry that is under pressure from international competition and from low skilled immigrants and I'll actually debate with you. But no that's not the case and the UAW is riding their horse into the ground instead of making the industry a better place
     
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    Even a weak union has more bargaining power than any individual worker (assuming comparable skillsets) in a market economy. This is obvious on its face. Any attempt to deny this truth is motivated by an irrational ideological belief.
     
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    Im usually anti-union for that same reason "more employees = more people paying into the union" but "right to work" laws are ridiculous
     

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