Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by loui_ludwig, Sep 5, 2005.
Is there any catch wrestling and sambo school in Los Angeles.
try gokor's place in LA.
You could move in with Tony Cecchine.
Just kidding. As far as grappling goes. I'd just go witht the Sambo. I like Catch but it just seems that there are too many idiots trying to make a name off of it. At least with BJJ you sort of know who is bullshit and who isn't granted our instructors usually compete or coach to compete.
Sambo is worthy of study as well. Good luck in finding a good school.
Yeah. It is tough. I wish my school would wear the Kurtka (gi) and work on throws using it. But we're essentially a no-gi submission wrestling class.
I don't know of any sambo schools in LA
Gene Lebelle teaches a combination of sambo, catch and judo.
For sure Gene Lebel and Gokor..
Gene is an absolute master on the ground, he'll show you technique from Catch, Sambo, Judo that you never knew existed, much less seen in BJJ. When you train with a guy like Gene you'll realize there was something to the art of Catch. He's absolutely incredible. I've seriously considered moving across the country to train with him
Just out of curiosity; what sets castch apart from BJJ and SW? A special mphaissi on certain locks or positions?
Usually when someone calls themselves a "submission wrestler" they have some sort of stylistic connection to catch-as-catch-can...especially if they are from Japan.
Like Kforce said. Most subwrestlers style can be traced back to Catch.
The difference between catch and BJJ. Catch focuses more on top position and making the opponent make a mistake so you can catch a submission (Example Catch has some wicked tricks. Convient uncomfortable knuckle/elbow placement. It can make things very painful distracting the guy from realizing you are setting up a submission.. ect). Also I find if a guy tries a submission and it is defending/countered. Catch's style seems to be to make the guy think twice about attempting the same submission rather than just escaping..
Example, in BJJ if a guy tries to Kimura you from guard the guy on top can do a number of things. Reach through and grip the hands together giving time to free the arm.. Grab his own leg and keep the lock from getting extended then step over to sidecontrol if possible.. ect..
Now a few days ago I was rolling with one of my training partners who has trained with all sorts of people on the ground.. I was on my back, sat up, shot in a kimura (one of my fav. submissions I lock it in quick). When I started to go for the finish he sort of bumped my elbow in, countering and locking my own shoulder.. I didn't even need to ask who he learned it from, he learned it from Gene Lebel. Of course since I was in guard I was able to easily free my arm and follow up.. but little differences and simple counters like that make a person think..
If the guy has you in halfguard and goes for the kimura you can roll over on your back, do the same counter and actually get the finish. It's one of my fav. half-guard techniques.
Ok, that clears thing a bit. Thanks!
Interestingly, BJJ probably derives something form old school catch...Mitsu Maeda became a catch-as-catch-can competitor in the course of his travels and actually competed against and alongside guys like Billy Haystacks, some of the earliest of the Western pro-wrestlers.
How did Maeda do?
Did any of these catch guys get in on the Gracie Challenge?
There aren't any "Catchwrestling schools" as such. I have heard good things about Gene Lebell's instruction at Gokor's school, where many Catch style techniques and approaches are used. It is worth checking out.
I'm in N. County San Diego, probably 90 minutes from you. I have been to several weekend seminars in Catchwrestling, with Tony Cecchine. I have all the tapes, and have mixed a lot of Catchwrestling into my BJJ, which I have been doing for 5-6 years. If you want to visit, you are welcome to come to my place, and I can show you some stuff. It doesn't cost anything, and everyone that comes learns stuff they can use.
Drop me an email if you are interested.
Maeda did awesome....he lost two matches in catch-wrestling that are on record...he was 3rd in the world at heavyweight--and he wasn't a heavyweight--in a world championship tournament, though he was eliminated in the first round from a lighter weight division(can't recall off the top of my head which division it was).
You could go train with Eddie Bravo, since he has started calling his style catch lately.
he was a bad bad ass fighter
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