Cardio + Heavy lifting

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  1. 888Shogun888

    888Shogun888 Blue Belt

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    Alright this is my dilemma. I have been doing a modified 5x5 routine for the past few months with good results. I will be going into the National Guard at the end of the summer and would like to really improve my cardio and drop some body fat. For the past 3 weeks or so I have been doing the Bas Rutten workout 1 or 2 times a day (the thai routine). I have been doing the routine without any real weight training to bump up my cardio and get used to the routine so that I can complete the workout and still have the energy to complete some weight training.

    This is what I am thinking of doing: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Remember that I am pretty tired after full power bas workout so I can't do a ton of work after.

    day 1
    8 rounds of Bas
    Deadlifts 3X6 (alternating clean grip when the mood strikes)
    Good mornings 3X6
    Pullups 3X10

    Day 2
    Bas Rutten full 10 rounds

    Day 3
    8 rounds of Bas
    Bench 3X8
    Free plate work (dont have dumbells; triceps work, high pulls, shoulder work etc etc)

    4
    Bas 10 rounds

    5
    8 rounds Bas
    Overhead Squats 3X8
    Bent over row 3X10
    Oly Barbell Twist 3X20 (stick one end of empty bar in corner and load other end with 45lbs and twist)

    6
    Bas 10 rounds

    7
    Bas 8 rounds
    Cleans 3X5
     
  2. B3rserk3R

    B3rserk3R Brown Belt

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    o why not flip bas and the weights?
     
  3. Jake Martin

    Jake Martin Amateur Fighter

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    I agree.

    Edit: Btw an "Oly Barbell Twist" is commonly referred to as a Full Contact Twist
     
  4. 888Shogun888

    888Shogun888 Blue Belt

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    ok thanks.
     
  5. 888Shogun888

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    you mean do weights before bas? I guess I could do that. I started out doing a few rounds of Bas as a warmup for weights. I suppose it wouldn't be any trouble to switch them.
     
  6. Richmond_Hrvat

    Richmond_Hrvat Seauxthern Dead

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    If I were you I'd want at least one day of just rest... but that's just me...
     
  7. vision1

    vision1 Purple Belt

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    You like the Bas tapes that much? Personally I wouldn't stick to the same type of conditioning every single day.
     
  8. 888Shogun888

    888Shogun888 Blue Belt

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    love the workouts:icon_chee. I am a huge muay thai fan so love to get down in my basement and knock the bag around for a half hour or so. Great cardio, good muscle indurance. I mix up the techniques because I pretty much know what the next combo is so that gets boring. I loathe running but I still get in a 2 mile run once or twice a week.
     
  9. Art Vandelay

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    You have your training priorities backwards. It is unfortunate, and not what you want to hear.

    You should be running 15-20 miles a week. A 5-mile run at around 8-9 minute pace, once a week. A couple 2-3 mile runs at 7 minute pace or less. High volume burpees, squat thrusts, star jumps, pushups, mountain climbers--general bodyweight bs. Pullups and rope climbing or wall climbing if available. Any weightlifting you get in is a bonus. All the muscle you have built up will help, no doubt, but if you can't stay with your platoon on a run you will want to die.

    You need to gradually up the weekly mileage so that you don't end up getting npq'd with shin splints or stress fractures. I have no experience with basic training for the Nat'l Guard, so I may be out of line with my recommendations, and hopefully someone else can help. With that said, that workout definitely needs some tweaking as it is written. Running, being prepared to run, and running well is essential.
     
  10. Rowan11088

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    Hope no one minds if I hijack and reclaim this thread, since the title is exactly what I would put. My question is, I'm considering trying to add more cardio to my routine, but I'm already doing 11-12 workouts per week, and can't add any more (most of them are karate and BJJ practice, and those are not always exhaustive, so I'm not overtraining, trust me).

    If I were to add some HIIT on days that I do the first and third workouts of the 5x5 (the shorter days, squats, bench and DRs), would this really set back my strength gains? And if I do add it, the consensus seems to be that it should be after I'm done lifting, but I'm concerned about maximizing my PWO recovery. I already drink a peri-workout drink of carbs and whey 3:1, usually finishing off most of it immediately PWO. If I save this until after my cardio, will I lose some of the benefit gained from replenishing myself right after a lift?

    I have the feeling someone's about to bitch-slap me, so go ahead :icon_neut
     
  11. Apocalypse604

    Apocalypse604 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    everyone should get one day of just rest or their bodies and minds will begin to break down.

    unfortunately, too many gym fanatics are too damn stubborn and wait for the invetable to happen.
     
  12. Marvin Covar

    Marvin Covar Amateur Fighter

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    use bas as your warmup, do your lifting, and do bas again.
     
  13. halfmoon_

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    Going to boot camp? Might wanna run. Only thing you'll be lifting there is your m16 assault rifle and your body. Do the bas CD.
     
  14. Captain_Dammitt

    Captain_Dammitt Brown Belt

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    My suggestion...

    Coming out of navy boot camp about a yr ago it was mad easy and all I did for the 2 weeks before was party with my friends.

    MWF squats and milk... yes I said it...

    TTRS
    I would personaly run maybe 1 to 2 miles and then maybe some tabata sprints

    Imo squats and milk has a lot of bw work and running 6 miles a week and some sprint work should be enough for basic
     
  15. MatterOverMind

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    DON'T BUMP OLD FUCKING THREADS UNLESS IT'S FOR COMEDIC PURPOSES!!!!
     
  16. Ian Coe

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    You tell him Mom
     

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