Capitalism is dangerous to society... my thoughts to fight it

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[Seano]

since you're of good faith I will answer, I can't comment on a single post all the changes I would try to implement as you wouldn't make the same case with capitalism. but a look at socialism would be the best bet at that experiment. although is not bait, I did leave this answer partly unanswered.

Sort of your obligation if you make a thread on the topic, no?

 

[Seano]

Liked but the difference now is that people don't want to better themselves. They want someone else to make things better for them.

 

[slivercord]

Nature tends to be capitalistic, communism , socialism and whatever ism is usually a man made system that will ultimately fail. There isn't any perfect system when humans are involved. However I do think forms of communism or heavy socialism would be the perfect system if humans weren't involved.

Humanity in general isn't really responsible enough to handle a " Perfect " system. Instead I'd rather create a system where the ignorant and lazy suffer. Oh wait ....that's already happening. However I do see the current state as unfair or rigged in a way. Its because humans love organizing things by class and this would happen no matter the situation. Human nature does not mesh well with these paradigms.

Ironically Jesus would be an example of a completely evolved human. Imagine never sinning your whole life ? A creature like that or better yet a race of that would be able to thrive under a utopia like world. Funny enough is conservatives try to preach about christ and will fail miserably trying to emulate christ, be heartless and shitty towards lower classes or exploit them and a Leftist Soy boy eating estrogen burgers and hating the patriarchy will hate Christ like values and religion in general

Even if all these anti capitalists and people who believe in Utopias got their way, they do not understand that human nature will fuck it all up either way.

Maybe the " singularity " will be reached soon , this way the perfect creature or a fully evolved conciousness will arise and take the best course of action

First interesting post, or actually someone who tried, how do you define utopia? isn't what a man dreams about? we all got the right to dream, by taking your point, and hoping you're not being disengenuous, the crude reality is not on perfection but optimization of society, the questions is do you want one run by the people or a plutocracy? the pendulum will never reach perfection, but in life we have options, some agree others dont, we have rules in place to shift morals, I'm not envisioning a utopia, but fairness in a state and human level. thank you for the reply, I'm on mobile sorry for mistypo.

 

[Seano]

you like the society we live in? wake up.

I do. Its awesome. Identity politcs are sort of tearing us up but I'll take what we have here over most of the rest of the world.

 

[slivercord]

how intelectualy low... at least take a time to do it in verbatim.

 

[slivercord]

Liked but the difference now is that people don't want to better themselves. They want someone else to make things better for them.

thanks for the argument pops seano.

 

[slivercord]

I do. Its awesome. Identity politcs are sort of tearing us up but I'll take what we have here over most of the rest of the world.

what you mean most of the rest? are you stupid.... it is what you have most of the world, you just have a unfair view, actually its not so bright of a view, you fail to see it. I wonder why, make your case if needed, but don't start of with those terrible misconceptions.

 

[AnthonyCasso]

Humanities biggest problem is more laziness and misappropriation of energy then greed. We easily could solve the worlds problems , however humans can't get over themselves. They dont see that they ARE the problem. There isn't any bigger purpose for humanity. All humanity does is find ways to make everything "easier" and more efficient but then it fails. Oil for example is this era's current paradigm, it's the only reason 7 billion people are here. Humanity has had an unlimited burst of production and energy and eventually that will come to a halt.

 

[Seano]

what you mean most of the rest? are you stupid.... it is what you have most of the world, you just have a unfair view, actually its not so bright of a view, you fail to see it. I wonder why, make your case if needed, but don't start of with those terrible misconceptions.

You haven't made a case in your own thread.
I have a good life, friend. I have no complaints. I don't feel like I'm owed anything.

 

[Javelina]

all these black "white" supremacists are a menace to society

 

[slivercord]

Humanities biggest problem is more laziness and misappropriation of energy then greed. We easily could solve the worlds problems , however humans can't get over themselves. They dont see that they ARE the problem. There isn't any bigger purpose for humanity. All humanity does is find ways to make everything "easier" and more efficient but then it fails. Oil for example is this era's current paradigm, it's the only reason 7 billion people are here. Humanity has had an unlimited burst of production and energy and eventually that will come to a halt.

I disagree, lazyness is a word we don't use when desperate, it's a capitalist induzed state of mind. we could solve the major problems? I agree in that one, to finish! greed is a serious factor for decision making on a capitalist society. the rest is a dystopian view I kinda agree, but still have the effort to fight it. take care

 

[GhostZ06]

I respect that, becouse you did answer my question. and it looks like you're no satisfied with current society. a technocracy is no different from the plan I would like in use. it does owns it merits, but needs a society with conscious people, until we get to that stage it would be very hard to implement. based on knowledge we know about humans, it doesn't disrupt the thought that capitalism kills, or we should continue becouse... we humans derp...

i said a technocracy would be great. God is that all you do, post shit an then people say do you have a better idea? you insult them...


Stop being stupid an crying about capitalism, an give an better option

 

[slivercord]

You haven't made a case in your own thread.
I have a good life, friend. I have no complaints. I don't feel like I'm owed anything.

I'm making as replies come. you have a good life? cool, wtf do I have to do with that, if you actually make a sound argument that it's becouse of capitalism, I might bite.

 

[MMAisGod]

since you're of good faith I will answer, I can't comment on a single post all the changes I would try to implement as you wouldn't make the same case with capitalism. but a look at socialism would be the best bet at that experiment. although is not bait, I did leave this answer partly unanswered.

Thanks. That is true, it would be too long a post. How about a specific area then. Let's say something as simple as "livable wage", one of the pillar arguments behind socialism. I hear many Dems, from candidates to politicians to voters, stand behind this. I would argue strongly against this though, as I do not believe all jobs should be "livable". I'll give a scenario for my reasoning.

For example, CVS shelf guy makes $9 an hour, but now he is raised to $15 (say it was the assumed livable wage). Shift Lead makes $12/h, so what is he raised to? It can't be $15, so lets say $17. Manager makes $18, but now he needs more too, so we must raise him to say, $22. Etc. CVS raises prices to make money back being spent, as well as to line up to the market of their competitors raising prices with the new paychecks rolling out. CVS later responds by layoffs/short staffing. CVS lives on. Small Business XYZ however can't afford these hikes in both prices and staffing, so they layoff, and eventually fold, being replaced by a company with the financial power to start up. A new CVS.

Results here are pay went up, but prices equally went up, and small businesses were replaced by more big businesses. I would hate that outcome. How would you counter this with an argument that livable wage is the most viable economic plan for the country to prosper?

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

I wholeheartedly disagree, capitalism is a disease. it's killing people daily, and should never be consideree the "lesser of two evils" based on fabricated evidence, reality is that capitalism won the "ideological" battle partly on a human greed scale, the time to move on is up. I would love to expand the argument if you give me actual points of capitalism good doings.

And by moving on, you mean move backwards to a system proven to fail time and time again? You like bread lines?

 

[Seano]

I'm making as replies come. you have a good life? cool, wtf do I have to do with that, if you actually make a sound argument that it's becouse of capitalism, I might bite.

Well, I'm going to guess the difference between me and you is ambition. You wait for someone to do things for you, I make my own way.
I don't really get why you're being a snide prick,honestly.

 

[slivercord]

i said a technocracy would be great. God is that all you do, post shit an then people say do you have a better idea? you insult them...


Stop being stupid an crying about capitalism, an give an better option

what? this just proves you gave an option out of resources to argue the topic, I thought all sherdoggers were tough minded fellas? what kind of insult do I throw?

 

[AlexDB9]

where are you from comrade?

Your socialist paradise: Cuba. Americans or other people born in the first world saying “comrade” will never cease to give me a chuckle

 

[slivercord]

And by moving on, you mean move backwards to a system proven to fail time and time again? You like bread lines?

beware if you mention Venezuela and North Korea, you might win. no seriously. time line wise, which doesn't matter it would be reactionary wise, but wait! the world needs changing quick, an downgrade might look like bad, ideologicaly wise it's a update to better ourselfs.