Canelo will not test until contract is signed

The problem is that the sanctioning bodies have zero authority to test after a ban or suspension. It would have to be voluntary and Canelo only tests when it's basically forced on him. Like refusing to do the voluntary testing for his fight with Liam Smith.

The super fucked part is that the WBC rules demand that ANYONE ranked in the top 15 must submit to random testing but for some unknown reason Canelo is allowed to be ranked and isn't forced to test like everyone else.
 
This sounds like they're trying to pressure Golovkins camp into signing sooner rather than later, and are using testing as a carrot. Sign the contract sooner, and Canelo has to start testing sooner (and the implications that come along with that). But it definitely doesn't help his image.

Canelo needs to voluntarily submit himself for 24/7/365 testing if he wants to get his credibility back in the eyes of a lot of fans. He's got to understand that, even though he submitted to the additional hair test which corroborates his story, he opened a door that isn't easily closed by testing positive in the first place.

There will always be some people who don't like him and will hold it against him, but he can get a lot of favor back by voluntarily putting himself through the paces.
 
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Yeah, love or hate him, Canelo is doing himself absolutely no favors with the way he's handled this situation. I always liked the guy but he just comes off like a self entitled asswipe with this kind of behavior.

No disrespect to Canelo fans, I didn't even mention his new nickname, I really do admire his heart and skills. But the dude is acting like a diva cunt rn, and it's unbecoming to say the least. I am disappoint.
 
Shoemaker said:
This sounds like their trying to pressure Golovkins camp into signing sooner rather than later, and are using testing as a carrot. Sign the contract sooner, and Canelo has to start testing sooner (and the implications that come along with that). But it definitely doesn't help his image.

Canelo needs to voluntarily submit himself for 24/7/365 testing if he wants to get his credibility back in the eyes of a lot of fans. He's got to understand that, even though he submitted to the additional hair test which corroborates his story, he opened a door that isn't easily closed by testing positive in the first place.

There will always be some people who don't like him and will hold it against him, but he can get a lot of favor back by voluntarily putting himself through the paces.
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You don't have to dislike him to be disappointed with this decision. I haven't heard any experts dismiss the hair test so that corroborates his story but the damage from failing the original test is done. The only real way to avoid suspicion would be 365 day a year random testing.
 
BluntTrauma21 said:
Yeah, love or hate him, Canelo is doing himself absolutely no favors with the way he's handled this situation. I always liked the guy but he just comes off like a self entitled asswipe with this kind of behavior.

No disrespect to Canelo fans, I didn't even mention his new nickname, I really do admire his heart and skills. But the dude is acting like a diva cunt rn, and it's unbecoming to say the least. I am disappoint.
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It doesn't bother me so much because I don't expect these guys to be anything other than fighters. But he definitely has a "I'm going to do it my way and fuck you if you don't like it" attitude. Which kind of sucks when you're a fan of the sport who just wants to see a little accountability. But it's probably not the worst attitude for a prizefighter to have.
 
BluntTrauma21 said:
Yeah, love or hate him, Canelo is doing himself absolutely no favors with the way he's handled this situation. I always liked the guy but he just comes off like a self entitled asswipe with this kind of behavior.

No disrespect to Canelo fans, I didn't even mention his new nickname, I really do admire his heart and skills. But the dude is acting like a diva cunt rn, and it's unbecoming to say the least. I am disappoint.
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Clenelo, Clenelo Alvaroids.

I used to like him but he seems to have turned into a bit of a Mexican Mayweather.
 
Shoemaker said:
It doesn't bother me so much because I don't expect these guys to be anything other than fighters. But he definitely has a "I'm going to do it my way and fuck you if you don't like it" attitude. Which kind of sucks when you're a fan of the sport who just wants to see a little accountability. But it's probably not the worst attitude for a prizefighter to have.
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It kind of keeps us thinking that he's a cheat though, too. We probably should expect these guys to not cheat brazenly without significant repercussion.
 
Minowafanatic said:
It kind of keeps us thinking that he's a cheat though, too. We probably should expect these guys to not cheat brazenly without significant repercussion.
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Partially, yeah. I think there's just as much reason to say they're doing it for leverage in negotiations. Given how the first fight played out, Golovkin's team has a bit more weight at the negotiating table. The longer negotiations get drawn out, the more the terms will favor Golovkin because he's the one who got the short end the first time around - he's the only one with room to improve his position. So I think GB would be using whatever tactic they could expedite the process. But does it help his story regarding PED use? Christ, not at all.
 
Shoemaker said:
Partially, yeah. I think there's just as much reason to say they're doing it for leverage in negotiations. Given how the first fight played out, Golovkin's team has a bit more weight at the negotiating table. The longer negotiations get drawn out, the more the terms will favor Golovkin because he's the one who got the short end the first time around - he's the only one with room to improve his position. So I think GB would be using whatever tactic they could expedite the process. But does it help his story regarding PED use? Christ, not at all.
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Like you've basically said already, their lleverage then could be summed up as "hey, make a deal with us sooner and we won't be cheating for as long as if you make a deal with us later!" which feels really skeevy and gross
 
Shoemaker said:
This sounds like they're trying to pressure Golovkins camp into signing sooner rather than later, and are using testing as a carrot. Sign the contract sooner, and Canelo has to start testing sooner (and the implications that come along with that). But it definitely doesn't help his image.

Canelo needs to voluntarily submit himself for 24/7/365 testing if he wants to get his credibility back in the eyes of a lot of fans. He's got to understand that, even though he submitted to the additional hair test which corroborates his story, he opened a door that isn't easily closed by testing positive in the first place.

There will always be some people who don't like him and will hold it against him, but he can get a lot of favor back by voluntarily putting himself through the paces.
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This I can agree to.
 
Pass the hair test and people are mad because he's not going out of his way to prove himself to u.
If you want the tests, sign the contract and stop looking for a way to avoid Canelo.
 
DeJulez said:
Pass the hair test and people are mad because he's not going out of his way to prove himself to u.
If you want the tests, sign the contract and stop looking for a way to avoid Canelo.
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I agree also the test should be mutual in terms of both boxers get tested

It's an obvious negotiation tactic
Sad but true. Fight should get done but sadly GGG doesnt hold mich2 leverage

I am curious if there will be leaked e-mails
 
Marc A said:
I agree also the test should be mutual in terms of both boxers get tested

It's an obvious negotiation tactic
Sad but true. Fight should get done but sadly GGG doesnt hold mich2 leverage

I am curious if there will be leaked e-mails
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GGGs camp isn't too confident in the rematch. Anything to really avoid Canelo at least until May is what they want
 
Seano said:
Meh, everyone is just looking for excuses as to why they lost.
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so you don't think it's fucked that they refused testing, then brought up money as a sticking point for VADA, but when the fees were removed they suddenly had not problem with USADA doing it? or the fact that canelo could tell USADA to fuck off?

how are you not upset your favorite guy is avoiding testing after pissing hot?
 
Marc A said:
I agree also the test should be mutual in terms of both boxers get tested

It's an obvious negotiation tactic
Sad but true. Fight should get done but sadly GGG doesnt hold mich2 leverage

I am curious if there will be leaked e-mails
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the fuck? GGG is enrolled in VADA year round testing. canelo isn't.

and lol at people trying to suggest golovkin is avoiding alvarez. have you all lost your minds?



edit: i may have jumped the gun on this one. i'm not sure if he's tested 365 now. is he?

edit2: all right, it seems like he is. WBC CBP is year round testing by VADA, and golovkin is enrolled. canelo indeed isn't.
 
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randomg1t said:
so you don't think it's fucked that they refused testing, then brought up money as a sticking point for VADA, but when the fees were removed they suddenly had not problem with USADA doing it? or the fact that canelo could tell USADA to fuck off?

how are you not upset your favorite guy is avoiding testing after pissing hot?
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Not really. You don't go demanding shit after the fight has already been negotiated and signed.
 
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