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Canelo was too young, Pacman was too old, or are u just a hater?

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  1. Kvolcom Brown Belt

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    Floyd is the best ever! They always make excuses when he wins.


    If Pacman was passed his prime when he fought floyd why did he go on to beat lots of top guys after fighting floyd?


    As for Canelo being too young? I've never heard this excuse in the history of boxing! Only w Canelo. If anything Floyd was passed his prime when he fought Canelo, a young floyd would have whooped him worse
     
  2. Stormtrooper85 Red Belt

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    Free advice: Delete this thread
     
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    I’m a born hater! Inset the blank _ , I hate that mother fucker.
     
  4. Rob-G Purple Belt

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    I do think Canelo was too young and Pacquiao was too far past his prime. I still consider Mayweather an all time great though. It is what it is. Rocky Marciano is a Top 5 Heavyweight GOAT and he caught Walcott, Louis, and Charles all past their prime. I still consider all of this great wins though. . . Where I draw the line is Ali/Holmes-Berbick, Tyson/Williams-McBride, all of Roy’s losses after Tarver 3, etc.. There’s levels to being past your prime lol. Pacquiao was past his prime vs. Mayweather, but not enough to not consider it a very solid win still. Just my take!
     
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    It's rather difficult to argue against Floyd's accomplishments in the ring, although for someone like Floyd whose habits are >>> a lot of others boxers that get out of shape off-season, Floyd's age wouldn't have been that much of a factor in his performance in that ring.

    As for Canelo, it's possible that he was too young for someone like Mayweather at the time, but Canelo's team probably banked on his youth and physical vitality to give them a fighting edge in that fight.
     
  6. Rationality Purple Belt

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    The whole discussion of people being in their prime is silly imo.
     
  7. is a apple

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    There's merit to them, but applies to some fighters differently compared to others because some fighters tend to decline faster than others as father time tries to catch up with them.

    Unless you're Bernard Hopkins whose physiology is more alien than human.
     
  8. Rationality Purple Belt

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    Or someone gets knocked out cold, or changes trainers, or goes through a divorce. Life happens. There is no better way found to see who is a better fighter than to let them fight. If someone is too young, too old, whatever then I guess they shouldn't take the chance.
     
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  9. Hagler Man of wealth and taste Platinum Member

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    Every fight has its context, that being said Pacquiao can also blame himself for the fight’s happening this late (and he decided to show up injured on fight day if it was true), Canelo knew it would help him to become a superstar anyway, Floyd himself was getting old, with fragile hands and less hand and foot speed, and he clearly won both fights.

    Pac beat Thurman at 40. Canelo had many pro fights and a belt in 2013. You can be picky about pretty much any fight a guy you hate wins, including a few Ws racked by Pac and Ginger. Both are still significant wins in Floyd’s record.
     
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    You can be past your.prime.and still beat top.fighters. it is pretty.obvious that the pac pbf beats.wasnt the same.pac that ran through cotto
     
  12. zumbulare White Belt

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    prime vs prime Floyd still beats them
     
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    Do you have an 18 year old girlfriend or a 60 year old one?
     
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    You do realize most boxers fight to earn a living right?
     
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    Floyd vs Chico was two champions fighting each others in their "Primes". So Floyd was past his Prime for every fight after that and still had enough skills to beat everyone.
     
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    Losing 1 fight like Tyson did , didn’t mean he was out of his Prime though. Not when the toughest and best wins of his career came after the loss, against Ruddock
     
  17. Seano Hands of bone

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    Floyd was older than Pac when they fought.
     
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    I think the consensus is that his prime ended when he dropped Rooney, and what was left of the crew that brought him up, and signed with Don King.
     
  19. Shuque Green Belt

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    They are all true.

    1. Pacman was past his prime.
    2. Canelo was not yet in his prime.
    3. Floyd is the best ever and would have beaten them anyway.
     
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  20. cuban23 Black Belt

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    Canelo froze under the spotlight against Floyd. The pressure got to him, he folded like a wet blanket, he "choked" if you will. It was extreme mental fragility on Canelo's part. It was, quite frankly, embarrassing to watch.

    There's different levels of fear, there's Michael Spinks vs Mike Tyson, where he's afraid he's going to die. Then there's a mental block that fighters get where they enter a fight and don't know what they're doing after 4 rounds. At one point, I believe Chepo told Canelo to just "punch him" hoping Canelo would at least be able to do that. He couldn't even do that.
     

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