Canelo vs. Kirkland

[Kickzilla]

Apologies if this fight was brought up already, though I didn't notice if it was.

Boy was this an entertaining fight holy crap, Canelo is really starting to come into his own. I wonder if a potential 2nd fight might see the light of day against Mayweather.

Canelo was very comfortable in the pocket with Kirkland, I also noticed he (Canelo) had some really compact and efficient bob and weaves.

That left hook of his was also a beauty.

 

[PivotPunch]

Kirkland had little chance to begin with stylstically he is wild, has a shaky chin and not so good defence along with needing a few rounds to get going while Canelo is a super fast starting, hard punching combination counterpuncher with good defence.

But Canelo probably got Kirkland out there pretty late for a comfortable win the longer the fight went the better for Kirkland and Kirkland was landing more and more each round, Canelo was throwing less and less each round and before the KD Kirkland was winning the 3rd round.

By the 3rd round Canelo was reduced to single flurries had the fight gone a few more rounds he would have been in deep trouble but Kirkland was unlikely to survive long enough while still tiring and pressuring Canelo.

Had he been a little more defensively sound, hadn't leaned as much and not from punches from so far away maybe the fight could have looked different on the inside he wasn't getting hit nearly as much he made the mistake of trading with Canelo at midrange and leaning in from the outside with shots.

I expected Canelo's defence to be good with blocks but I almost expected more headmovement from him and his feet were cement.

Canelo has improved but I don't think he really has improved his flaws enough he had a few years age his feet are still cement and in fights like the Kirkland fight he's reduced to flurries.
Tbf if he genetically desn't have the cardio to go that long in a high paced fight then there's little eh can do but at least a little bit of lateral movement would work wonders allthough he was a little bit better at cutting off the ring vs Lara.

The things Canelo is good at are improving even further but his weaknesses are still his weaknesses and that's unlikely to change.

Surely Canelo should end up in the HOF though unless something goes terribly wrong but I was pretty sure about that even before the mayweather fight.

A win over Cotto would be decent and a win over Golovkin would be great either way to really be remembered and not just another HOF guy because let's be honest there are a lot of them he needs to go to MW and do something special.

Fight Cotto for his MW belt which i think he should win with his size advantage, youth and uppercuts and bodyshots and then unify vs Golovkin if he can win those 2 fights then he could retire in a year and be ok with it (not saying he will or should)

 

[Sinister]

Kirkland had no chance mostly on account of the fact that in the 24/7 promo he was already slurring his words. He's done.

 

[PivotPunch]

Kirkland had no chance mostly on account of the fact that in the 24/7 promo he was already slurring his words. He's done.

He's punchy? I thought it is just the way he talks he has always talked sloppy and while his fights were tough he didn't have many of them you really think kirkland is done?

 

[DoctorTaco]

It's not just how he talks. His social media is ripe with run on sentences, inarticulate thoughts, and a complete lack of punctuation. Clearly a sign of head trauma and brain damage.

 

[shpboris]

I expected more dominant win for Alvarez. Was surprised that Kirkland was able to land punches on him ...

 

[Sinister]

lol@third round KO aint dominant enough. Figuring initially that Kirkland was healthy I predicted a late stoppage for Canelo in a firefight. No one gets out of a fight with even a washed-up Kirkland without being touched.

He's punchy? I thought it is just the way he talks he has always talked sloppy and while his fights were tough he didn't have many of them you really think kirkland is done?

Yes, he's punchy. Lots of sparring wars on top of his fights. It's not that he spoke funny, there are particular types of slurring indicative of brain damage. Its not horrible, but it's noticeable and he should stop getting hit in the head for a living.

 

[siinstar]

I don't think there is anyone clamoring for a rematch with Mayweather, particularly not Alvarez, who got embarrassed in that fight. I think he is happy with the boxing lesson provided by Mayweather and ready to move on with his career.

 

[siinstar]

This was a good fight for Canelo, who has faced some criticism back home that he is a safety first fighter and not the true Mexican warrior archetype that receives universal acclaim among hardcore boxing fans. He went to war I think, partially because Kirkland was all over him landing powerful shots, and that was the only way to keep Kirkland off him.

 

[Sinister]

I don't think there is anyone clamoring for a rematch with Mayweather, particularly not Alvarez, who got embarrassed in that fight. I think he is happy with the boxing lesson provided by Mayweather and ready to move on with his career.

I don't think he's "happy" at all with that, and would be silly not to try to cash in on a rematch with Floyd. Especially if he has the MW Title when it goes down, which is very likely.

 

[tehmvp]

I don't think he's "happy" at all with that, and would be silly not to try to cash in on a rematch with Floyd. Especially if he has the MW Title when it goes down, which is very likely.

If Floyd sticks to his guns about retirement after September, Canelo will miss the boat on a rematch.

I have a bit of belief that he opens the new arena here in Vegas next spring, so Canelo may yet get that rematch. Pac also could, for that matter.

 

[shpboris]

lol@third round KO aint dominant enough. Figuring initially that Kirkland was healthy I predicted a late stoppage for Canelo in a firefight. No one gets out of a fight with even a washed-up Kirkland without being touched.

I mean, I expected a more "one sided" fight.

I.e a fight where Kirkland has HUGE trouble to land something due to Alvarez hand speed and counters. But surprisingly (to me), Kirkland was quite successful in some episodes.

 

[PivotPunch]

After tonight I'll take a chance and say it Canelo beats Golovkin.

He is much less scary if you stand your ground Monroe always got hurt when he was backing up and despite being nearly out he got back into the fight for a little bit and landed some good punches when he stood his ground.

Golovkin wants you to move and throw pitty patter punches with nothing behind them but his opponent's fear both murray, Monroe and even Rosado ahd some success when they didn't back up.

Canelo even when he wants CAN'T back up apparently what made it a tough fight vs Kirkland will make it at LEAST a hell of a night for Golovkin if he doesn't even lose.

If Canelo ahs someone infront of himhe is brutal like in the Angulo fight and Golovkin on the inside and even at midrange at times looks beatable.

I'm also pretty sure that Golovkin in fantasy matchups would lsoe to guys like Hagler I mean I never favoured him but now I would be so incredibly confident in Hagler beating him and it might not even take Hagler but Canelo could get the job done

 

[Jukai]

I mean, I expected a more "one sided" fight.

I.e a fight where Kirkland has HUGE trouble to land something due to Alvarez hand speed and counters. But surprisingly (to me), Kirkland was quite successful in some episodes.

Had success at what? Punching Canelo's gloves?

 

[Buddy Revell]

^ I would caution reading to much into this fight in terms of vulnerability. Golovkin has been fighting once every three months since the Geale fight (Or just before it). Its basically "Bum of the Month Quarterly" for him right now
Geale, Rubio, Monroe's jr, Macklin (?)...good fighters but not good enough. Dare I say, we aren't seeing the best of him right now. it might be smart to give him a few months to rest.

I dont think Canelo has good enough feet to beat Golovkin should Gennady elect to box and not just wade into Canelos wheelhouse. I'll say Canelo has made me a believer in his power with his recent displays though.

 

[PivotPunch]

^ I would caution reading to much into this fight in terms of vulnerability. Golovkin has been fighting once every three months since the Geale fight (Or just before it). Its basically "Bum of the Month Quarterly" for him right now
Geale, Rubio, Monroe's jr, Macklin (?)...good fighters but not good enough. Dare I say, we aren't seeing the best of him right now. it might be smart to give him a few months to rest.

I dont think Canelo has good enough feet to beat Golovkin should Gennady elect to box and not just wade into Canelos wheelhouse. I'll say Canelo has made me a believer in his power with his recent displays though.

Golovkin was 100% trying hard when Monroe survived and suddenly started landing punches he really really tried hard.

Monroe should ahve fought like that after the first round when he saw that he wasn't going to box Golovkin from the outside hadn't he been that damaged and fought like that from the beginning it could have been tough for Golovkin.

Sure Golovkin can perform better when he finally has a big fight but it doesn't change his strengths and weaknesses in some areas Golokvin looked the best he ever looked but his weaknesses were the same as always and Monroe had some real success.

Canelo can beat Golovkin and Andre Ward would most certainly beat him.

That wasn't Canelo it was just Monroe who I think is a good fighter but he isn't Canelo and when he stood his ground he made the fight competitive.

And I imagine Andre Ward would even be able to push Canelo back he's a different kind of inside fighter plus he has a size advantage.
If Ward tries to stay on the outside sure Golovkin would have a chance he is great at chasing guys but if Ward fights Golovkin on the inside 100% he would bully Golovkin there

You don't need feet to beat Golovkin canelo's biggest weakness wouldn't matter in that fight that's what's great for him.

Nowadays Golovkin only comes forward and if you abck up you're fucked but who cares Canelo has no feet and won't back up and he will stand his ground and fight like unlike anything Golovkin ahs ever experienced.

I'm not saying they are the same fighter but look at Angulo obviously Angulo is no Golovkin bt just like him he does his best work vs guys who back up and he even gave Lara hell.
But when he fought Canelo he had someone infront of him who wouldn't back up and was a so much better and tighter combination puncher with great handspeed same thing will happen to Golovkin just like Angulo his punches appear to have not nearly the same affect when they aren't going forward

 

[Buddy Revell]

I dont think Canelo can dictate to Golovkin. Hes not a better boxer, nor bigger...maaaybe stronger, or even.


Canelo likes to get out in front (like vs Angulo), and put his punches together. Golovkin has a better or more varied jab. How is Canelo supposed to get his combos off if hes being out jabbed and/or outmanuevered. I think Canelo has a punchers chance but i heavily favor Golovkin over him (I'll add that the closer to 154 that the fight happens the more id like Canelos chances).

 

[PivotPunch]

I dont think Canelo can dictate to Golovkin. Hes not a better boxer, nor bigger...maaaybe stronger, or even.


Canelo likes to get out in front (like vs Angulo), and put his punches together. Golovkin has a better or more varied jab. How is Canelo supposed to get his combos off if hes being out jabbed and/or outmanuevered. I think Canelo has a punchers chance but i heavily favor Golovkin over him (I'll add that the closer to 154 that the fight happens the more id like Canelos chances).

But he doesn't fight that way why didn't he jab to keep Monroe at distance or even fucking Rosadowho was fresh from LMW. Golovkin has been right infront of everyone he won't be any different vs Canelo.

Why do you think Golovkin will suddenly move and jab he didn't do it vs Stevens he didn't do it vs Rosado why should he suddenly do it and canelo isn't THAT bag at cutting off the ring he has improved and beaten Trout and Lara.

Golovkin can't outmove Curtis Stevens and he sure as hell won't outmove Canelo.

Also consdering how much more human Golovkin looks when you stand your ground then I think he's truly fucked when anyone manages to push him back if Golovkin goes back even if he tried it would be bad for Golovkin.

Canelo is a better combination puncher than Golovkina nd especially than anyone Golovkin hqs fought even those who hit Golovkin with combinations, he ahs better defence than Golovkin at least standing still Golovkin is good defending while coming forward if the other guy throws punches just not to get hit but if anyone firmly stand shis ground and punches Golovkin gets hit even Monroe landed some good shots.
Canelo will also have a speed advantage.

 

[Buddy Revell]

I think Alvarez is very good, just not as good as hes looked beating guys who are already damaged or washed up (Mosley, Baldomir, Angulo, Kirkland) and not as bad as Floyd made him look.

Trout and Lara imo would get stopped by Golovkin. Does Canelo bully Rubio like he did Angulo?

Golovkin is the bigger man, has fought good big men. Even the LMW's hes fought are bigger than the guys Canelo has faced.

Even if I grant Canelo more skilled (for the sake of argument)....its a slight margin and Golovkin is naturally bigger etc.

(PP)I may rate Canelo more than you do Golovkin, or vice versa.

I think we can both agree in wanting to see GGG take on a bettter opponent next..till then we'll never really knownhow good he is.

 

[PivotPunch]

I think Alvarez is very good, just not as good as hes looked beating guys who are already damaged or washed up (Mosley, Baldomir, Angulo, Kirkland) and not as bad as Floyd made him look.

Trout and Lara imo would get stopped by Golovkin. Does Canelo bully Rubio like he did Angulo?

Golovkin is the bigger man, has fought good big men. Even the LMW's hes fought are bigger than the guys Canelo has faced.

Even if I grant Canelo more skilled (for the sake of argument)....its a slight margin and Golovkin is naturally bigger etc.

(PP)I may rate Canelo more than you do Golovkin, or vice versa.

I think we can both agree in wanting to see GGG take on a bettter opponent next..till then we'll never really knownhow good he is.

Yes Golovkin would stop Trout and Lara but they are also the exact kind of opponent Golovkin shines against the the guys Canelo looks bad against.

And whetehr it's his style or not he fought the worst possible fight vs mayweather strategically and still won some rounds.

And Rubio isn't exactly in his prime either.

Who were the guys Golovkin looked good against? Guys who were scared and/or thought that running and moving was the way to go vs Golovkin and who looked good or at least less bad against him?
Stevens, Rosado, Murray and in spots Monroe (who had some of the best rounds anyone had vs Golovkin recently) guys who either couldn't or chose not to move away from him.
Canelo couldn't even fuck it up with a bad gameplan he couldn't even box moving backwards if he tried to