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News Canelo to fight at cruiserweight!!

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  1. LangfordBarrow StickAndMove Platinum Member

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    Titles aren't Championships the way they used to be. This fight can give him a title in another weight class but calling him a 5 division champ would come with an asterisk. He's a three division champ in an era of intermediate weight classes.
     
  2. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    makabu has been the wbc champ for almost two years now. he’s universally ranked in the top 3 across all major boxing publications. he’s a legitimate champion. you won’t be impressed with canelo unless he beats tyson fury with a blindfold, but that’s a you problem. not a canelo problem.
     
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  3. LangfordBarrow StickAndMove Platinum Member

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    I'll be impressed with him if he wins even by decision. It's nothing other ATGs haven't accomplished though so I'll rate it accordingly.

    I think Canelo is PFP and has already proven himself as an ATG. This fight isn't going to raise his standing substantially. If we're going to start calling him the best ever after this win then...

     
  4. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    well he’ll probably never be the best ever but he doesn’t need to be. i’m just bored with people trying to poke holes in every great fighter. he’s an all time great and these fights should be appreciated while we still have canelo around.
     
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  5. Roids Brown Belt

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    Oh so you are actually denying Makabu is even cherry picked? lol! The guy universally regarded as the weakest champ in the division and that nobody never heard of, is not a cherry pick. Got it thanks.

    He won the vacant title vs a nobody and defended it once in 2 years vs a bum, clearly a legitimate champ!

    Never heard of an ATG who's best win was one very controversial decision. The rest is just smoke and mirrors. Canelo is very good but just a manufactured ATG.
     
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  6. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    lmfao your casual is showing. duradola is an old man but he’s no bum. he’s been top ten for a decade if not longer. the vacant belt was won against cieslak who had just KO’d duradola himself. also before the bellew fight, makabu smoked mchunu who is still a top cruiserweight to this day. you may only know usyk and breidis, but there are more solid fighters in the division. watch more boxing.
    roberto duran. again, you’re a casual.
    <YeahOKJen>
     
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  7. ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    Sugar Ray Leonard (Hagler)? Roman Gonzalez (JFE)? Joe Calzaghe (B-Hops)? Hilario Zapata (Chang)? GGG (Jacobs)? Fighting Harada (Jofre)? Tito Trinidad (ODLH)? Shane Mosley (ODLH)? ODLH (Whittaker)?

    there are a lot of fighters who get very controversial wins that end up getting brushed under the table by people with rosy glasses.
     
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    He's on his way though. Since the GGG win he's been moving up in weight impressively.
     
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    Duran? {<huh}
     
  10. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    would you not agree duran’s best win is a UD over leonard by a couple points? you know, the same circumstances as canelo/golovkin 2?
     
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    Interesting how people keep repeating "there are weight classes for a reason" when it suits their agenda to imply that a lower weight class guy could never beat someone fighting in a heavier weight class.

    But in cases like this, weight classes are apparently just semantics and it doesn't matter at all that Canelo's fighting a world champion that's much heavier than he is.
     
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    Oh ok so a 41 year old with 9 losses is not a bum, because he's been ranked top 10 for a long time? And I'm the casual? lol! Thanks for your deep analysis.

    My point was that controversial win was the highlight of his career. That does not apply to those other fighters who had a much deeper list of achievements and wins.

    I was not aware that most people thought Leonard won that fight? which is what happened with Canelo GGG 2. What's Canelos best win after his GGG 'win'?
     
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    you asked for a list of fighters whose career highlight was a controversial win and I gave you 9 fighters, each and every one of them a bonafide ATG. I'd add that Canelo's resume is a lot deeper than just GGG and I think you know that, but I doubt you'll allow yourself to be convinced.
     
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  14. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    literally yes. i don’t even have to dunk on you, you’re doing it to yourself. watch more boxing.

    no it wasn’t. you just moved the goalposts because everyone called you an idiot. the new goalposts are still wrong btw.

    most people didn’t think GGG won the second fight. most people had it a draw if anything, they thought he won the first fight. who is this “most people?” espn writers on twitter? mma publications? feel free to bump the pbp thread from that fight because i feel like nearly everyone reputable on this forum had it close, either a draw or for canelo. wins in close fights count too.
     
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    Yes you are dunking on me so hard by denying a 41 year old with 9 losses, with only 2 wins vs someone with a wiki, never a wc, is a bum.


    Media scores for the rematch.

    34 for GGG, 2 for Canelo, 15 for Draw

    And thats apparently the career highlight 'win' for Canelo.

    GG.
     
  16. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    he KO’d kudryashov lmfao also given elite fighters great work, always winning tune-ups in devastating fashion. i’m not saying he’s sugar ray robinson but he’s a perennial title contender in the division with devastating power.
    exactly. twitter journalists. how about these scores?

    Dave Moretti 115-113
    Steve Weisfeld 115-113
    Glenn Feldman 114-114

    golovkin jabbed effectively off his back foot but got washed in power punches, and gave up ground most of the fight. that’s what judges care about. that’s literally the scoring criteria.
     
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    So he had one decent win 6 years ago, and only has 2 wins vs anyone with a wiki in his whole career, yes super impressive. Imagine thinking 'perennial title contender' means anything in todays alphabet soup especially in probably the weakest division.

    No, actual boxing media journalists, who watch, report and analysis the sport for a living. Probably the best metric to give a measure of public sentiment on a fight. Only 2 of them thought Canelo won, and you are still arguing?
     
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  19. Roids Brown Belt

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    So you want to ignore all the sports reporters from credible media organizations? Must be nice to tailor reality to suit your delusional world view. Notice how I don't need to be selective and just included everyone? Wonder why?
     
  20. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    because most people don’t know shit about boxing or how boxing judges score fights lol if you think golovkin won the fight because ariel helwani and brendan schaub said so, then that’s on you. canelo won a close fight doing shit that judges like, get over it. that’s typically exactly what separates the GOATs from the rest.
     

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