Elections Canadian Federal Election 2019 Thread

[EL CORINTHIAN]

What policy of his do you like the most?

Not a question directed at me but if I can intrude for a moment.

I like his stance on business between the provinces and trying to free up some of the red tape surrounding it. It's less costly to do businesses with certain countries than it is with certain provinces which is rediculous. I don't fully understand all the variables as they are but that's worth looking into.

Also on Healthcare he doesn't want a rigid set of prerequisites imposed by the federal government on the provinces in order to conduct their affairs. If health care is a provincial matter than the federal government should keep their noses out of how we run our affairs. He thinks the guidelines lead to a less efficient system and honestly our health care system sucks. It's not a massive overhaul of anything so it won't disturb much but it can only stand to free up resources and their allocation. So why not.

 

[Prokofievian]

Not a question directed at me but if I can intrude for a moment.

I like his stance on business between the provinces and trying to free up some of the red tape surrounding it. It's less costly to do businesses with certain countries than it is with certain provinces which is rediculous. I don't fully understand all the variables as they are but that's worth looking into.

Interesting. I mean, it's embarrassing the difficulty that we've had in building pipelines through our own territory, but at least I'm inclined to think that a larger, more powerful federal government is perhaps further towards a solution to that problem than ''getting out of the way.''

Also on Healthcare he doesn't want a rigid set of prerequisites imposed by the federal government on the provinces in order to conduct their affairs. If health care is a provincial matter than the federal government should keep their noses out of how we run our affairs. He thinks the guidelines lead to a less efficient system and honestly our health care system sucks. It's not a massive overhaul of anything so it won't disturb much but it can only stand to free up resources and their allocation. So why not.

Our healthcare system does suck. But it's unclear to me that Bernier has any understanding of why it sucks, or what is plan does to address the suckiness.

To me the biggest problem with our healthcare system at a federal level is that the only input we have is money. There's nothing the federal government can do, at the moment, to specifically target wait lists, for example. It's unclear how Bernier's plan deals with this, to me at least.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

What policy of his do you like the most?

Well right now after listening to the Liberals and NDP basically writing a blank check to get elected, I like his commitment to eliminating the deficit over 2 years. I like that he would stop wasting money on things the government shouldn't have their hands in, like spending billions propping up media and spending hundreds of millions on promoting multiculturalism through the Multiculturalism Act. I like that he's against supply management and interprovincial trade barriers. And of course I like that he's serious about protecting free speech and gun owner rights.

If your running on a platform of less government (in both size and interference), that's a great base.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

a larger, more powerful federal government

 

[Prokofievian]

Well right now after listening to the Liberals and NDP basically writing a blank check to get elected, I like his commitment to eliminating the deficit over 2 years. I like that he would stop wasting money on things the government shouldn't have their hands in, like spending billions propping up media and spending hundreds of millions on promoting multiculturalism through the Multiculturalism Act. I like that he's against supply management and interprovincial trade barriers. And of course I like that he's serious about protecting free speech and gun owner rights.

If your running on a platform of less government (in both size and interference), that's a great base.

I disagree. I think the only way Canada continues to be a thing is with larger, more ambitious federal government projects. Small government, isolationist policies will just make us, an irrelevant nation, even more irrelevant.

And any candidate who wants to defund the CBC will never have my vote.

 

[Wet Blanket]

I disagree. I think the only way Canada continues to be a thing is with larger, more ambitious federal government projects. Small government, isolationist policies will just make us, an irrelevant nation, even more irrelevant.

And any candidate who wants to defund the CBC will never have my vote.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Interesting. I mean, it's embarrassing the difficulty that we've had in building pipelines through our own territory, but at least I'm inclined to think that a larger, more powerful federal government is perhaps further towards a solution to that problem than ''getting out of the way.''

Maxine wants to exhaust the Federal governments abilities as they already are. When it comes to building pipelines here is one point where he feels they can step in.

Reassert federal jurisdiction over pipelines construction by invoking section 92(10) of our Constitution, whereby Parliament can declare any project to be for the general advantage of Canada.

The section in question

Section 92(10) of the Constitution Act, 1867, also known as the works and undertakings power, grants the provincial legislatures of Canada unless otherwise noted in section (c), the authority to legislate on:

“ 10. Local Works and Undertakings other than such as are of the following Classes:
(a) Lines of Steam or other Ships, Railways, Roads, Telegraphs, and other Works and Undertakings connecting the Province with any other or others of the Provinces, or extending beyond the Limits of the Province;
(b) Lines of Steam Ships between the Province and any British or Foreign Country;
(c) Such Works as, although wholly situate within the Province, are before or after their Execution declared by the Parliament of Canada to be for the general Advantage of Canada or for the Advantage of Two or more of the Provinces."
Section 92(10)(a) and (b) grants federal jurisdiction over modes of interprovincial and international transportation and communication, leaving intraprovincial transportation and communication to the provinces. Section 92(10)(c), however, applies to works of all types. The Parliament of Canada exercises authority over these three matters under section 91(29), which states:

“ 29. Such Classes of Subjects as are implicitly excepted in the Enumeration of the Classes of Subjects by this Act assigned exclusively to the Legislatures of the Provinces. ”

Here is the rest of his plan in regards to pipelines.

Our Plan
The oil and gas industry has been for decades a major source of employment, government revenues, and economic well-being for all of Canada. It should be allowed to grow, export its products, and bring prosperity to our country.

A People’s Party Government will:

• Counter anti-oil and anti-pipeline propaganda from radical environmentalists and foreign foundations.
• Repeal Bill C-48.
• Repeal Bill C-69.
• Approve pipelines projects using a streamlined process.
• Find a private buyer for Trans Mountain.
• Reassert federal jurisdiction over pipelines construction by invoking section 92(10) of our Constitution, whereby Parliament can declare any project to be for the general advantage of Canada

Basically He is decentralizing in certain areas and attempting to exert authority that is within federal jurisdiction to address this issue. A more powerful and larger federal government isn't required, it simply needs to be more efficiently run by exercising it's intended functions.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

just make us, an irrelevant nation

An irrelevant nation? Irrelevant to who? Canada consistently ranks among the top countries in the world to live in.

I think your comment perfectly incapsulates the divide - for some reason, your focus seems to be on how the world views Canada (which seems to be pretty positive). My concern is not with what some guy in Russia or some woman in Brazil thinks about Canada, I'm more concerned with things that actually effect my everyday life.

But hey, to each their own. That's why we all get a vote. I hope someday Canada will be good and "relevant" enough for you, lol

 

[Prokofievian]

An irrelevant nation? Irrelevant to who? Canada consistently ranks among the top countries in the world to live in.

I think your comment perfectly incapsulates the divide - for some reason, your focus seems to be on how the world views Canada (which seems to be pretty positive). My concern is not with what some guy in Russia or some woman in Brazil thinks about Canada, I'm more concerned with things that actually effect my everyday life.

But hey, to each their own. That's why we all get a vote. I hope someday Canada will be good and "relevant" enough for you, lol

Take, for example, the arctic. We have no ability to patrol it effectively, and the U.S. has no interest in confronting Russia over their continued and increased aggression. Bernier doesn't give a fuck. We are irrelevant to Russian interests in the arctic. They will take it from us unless we do something. If it's at all possible to stop this at this late hour, it is through massive federal spending, not small government.

In fact, if there's one complaint that I have about Canada it's that we don't have a strong national ''gemeinschaft'' necessary to undertake such projects. I see Bernier as being antithetical to this direction. He can say ''celebrate our history'' all he wants, I'm more concerned about our future and our standing internationally.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

I don't know how you don't find Bernier annoying and retarded. He actually said ''you cannot create wealth if the government is spending.'' Like, what?

I had to wonder several times if his English was good enough for him to be up there, let alone all the other reasons he didn't need to be.

In terms of composure I actually found Blanchet the easiest to listen to.

 

[Err]

Take, for example, the arctic. We have no ability to patrol it effectively, and the U.S. has no interest in confronting Russia over their continued and increased aggression. Bernier doesn't give a fuck. We are irrelevant to Russian interests in the arctic. They will take it from us unless we do something. If it's at all possible to stop this at this late hour, it is through massive federal spending, not small government.

In fact, if there's one complaint that I have about Canada it's that we don't have a strong national ''gemeinschaft'' necessary to undertake such projects. I see Bernier as being antithetical to this direction. He can say ''celebrate our history'' all he wants, I'm more concerned about our future and our standing internationally.

We consistently engage in show of force exercises in the North via bases in Alert and Resolute.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

Take, for example, the arctic. We have no ability to patrol it effectively, and the U.S. has no interest in confronting Russia over their continued and increased aggression. Bernier doesn't give a fuck. We are irrelevant to Russian interests in the arctic. They will take it from us unless we do something. If it's at all possible to stop this at this late hour, it is through massive federal spending, not small government.

In fact, if there's one complaint that I have about Canada it's that we don't have a strong national ''gemeinschaft'' necessary to undertake such projects. I see Bernier as being antithetical to this direction. He can say ''celebrate our history'' all he wants, I'm more concerned about our future and our standing internationally.

Hate to break it you but to Putin, EVERYONE is irrelevant to Russian interests. The Russians have been making big plays in the Arctic for years and big-government Liberals have done nothing to curtail this.

So you're saying if we increase government bureaucracy and red tape, higher taxes for Canadians and bigger deficits are going to somehow intimidate Putin? Okay then...

Bernier is for INCREASED military spending. That's what Putin understands.

 

[Prokofievian]

I had to wonder several times if his English was good enough for him to be up there, let alone all the other reasons he didn't need to be.

In terms of composure I actually found Blanchet the easiest to listen to.

Blanchett was the only one who could get that retard Bernier to shut up for 2 seconds.

We consistently engage in show of force exercises in the North via bases in Alert and Resolute.

With out Australian F-18s? That'll show 'em.

 

[Prokofievian]

Hate to break it you but to Putin, EVERYONE is irrelevant to Russian interests. The Russians have been making big plays in the Arctic for years and big-government Liberals have done nothing to curtail this.

So you're saying if we increase government bureaucracy and red tape, higher taxes for Canadians and bigger deficits are going to somehow intimidate Putin? Okay then...

Why are you talking about the Liberals all of the sudden? The conservatives have also done fuck all for our arctic sovereignty. It was the Mulroney government that cancelled our nuclear sub program. Do you think that I'm a liberal voter?

Bernier is for INCREASED military spending. That's what Putin understands.

No he's not. He's for eliminating the deficit. You can't engage in the kind of military spending required if you're going to slash the corporate tax rate, personal income tax rate, GST, and capital gains tax. Oh, i'm sure ''innovation'' will pay for it all.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

Why are you talking about the Liberals all of the sudden? The conservatives have also done fuck all for our arctic sovereignty. It was the Mulroney government that cancelled our nuclear sub program. Do you think that I'm a liberal voter?



No he's not. He's for eliminating the deficit. You can't engage in the kind of military spending required if you're going to slash the corporate tax rate, personal income tax rate, GST, and capital gains tax. Oh, i'm sure ''innovation'' will pay for it all.

Woah woah, calm down princess.

You're claiming that we need BIG government to fight off the Russians in the Arctic. I brought up the Liberals because they ARE big government and they've done fuck all to curtail the Russian's advancement in the Arctic. So they were brought up to illustrate a point, not to insinuate you're a liberal voter or make this Conservative vs Liberal, because as you know by now I won't be voting for either party.

Your second paragraph shows that you're woefully ignorant on Maxime's policies. I guess it's more important to you that he mixed up a sentence in his 2nd language. Maxime has always been about bolstering military spending. He's hammered Trudeau multiple times on what he has deemed as woefully inefficient equipment and supplies for the troops. He's been VERY consistent with this for years.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Scheer was definitely the smartest man there with the best overall strategy.

He knows how divided Canada is right now and tried to appeal to everyone. Ontario is where elections are won (the GTA alone has more seats than other provinces) and that province is being Liberalized so he needs those votes.

The right was saying Scheer was being too soft on Trudeau and not talking about all his corruption and scandals so that's why Scheer went on the offensive. Lets be honest with ourselves, Trudeau deserved the beat down.

Scheer appealed to left by denouncing Bernier and saying Canada welcomes everyone and at the same time appealed to right by saying we can be proud of our identity and culture. Canada is mostly left leaning so Scheer is going to have to work with that.

Scheer is also appealing to everyone about guns because he's not going to ban our culture. Yes sometimes awesome cultures need to be preserved and protected from a lunatic government that wants to erase it with the stroke of a pen. Some Liberals are just obsessed with taking AR-15s from good Canadian men and women.

Same deal with his climate plan, it's meant to appeal to everyone.

The only man/party that can get rid of Trudeau and bring some social stability to Canada is Scheer and the Conservative party of Canada.

Andrew Scheer takes this seriously, the others not so much. They're a bunch of clowns.

Scheer is a very tall dude. He made Trudeau look like a small child in both physical size and intellect.

I'm not sure why people are so hard on Scheer. I thought he looked good up there. He went after Trudeau because ultimately this election is going to come down to the liberals and conservatives. He doesn't need to waste his time engaging with the other candidates. The only candidate who really looked like a fish out of water was Trudeau. Trudeau looked like a kid in the corner and his rehearsed talking points were just pathetic.

 

[Prokofievian]

Woah woah, calm down princess.

You're claiming that we need BIG government to fight off the Russians in the Arctic. I brought up the Liberals because they ARE big government and they've done fuck all to curtail the Russian's advancement in the Arctic. So they were brought up to illustrate a point, not to insinuate you're a liberal voter or make this Conservative vs Liberal, because as you know by now I won't be voting for either party.

My point wasn't that ''all big goverment parties good,'' therefore, giving an example of a big government party that has proven feckless in this regard isn't an effective counterargument. My position is that big government is necessary to solve some issues, our arctic sovereignty being one. Our pathetic infrastructure being another. I argue that healthcare is a third.

Your second paragraph shows that you're woefully ignorant on Maxime's policies. I guess it's more important to you that he mixed up a sentence in his 2nd language. Maxime has always been about bolstering military spending. He's hammered Trudeau multiple times on what he has deemed as woefully inefficient equipment and supplies for the troops. He's been VERY consistent with this for years.

He didn't mix up the sentence, he believes what he said. He said, earlier in the debate, that socialist policies like ''venezuela'' ''hurt everybody.'' Yada yada yada. He even believes, as it's on his party's website, that by cutting taxes on companies it will ''increase salaries and investment.'' He actually believes this after what we've seen with Trump's tax cuts. He's an ideologue when it comes to tax and monetary policy, it has nothing to do with his poor english.

But about the military funding, and the deficit, to borrow a phrase from Maxime Bernier himself, ''with what money''?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Christie Blatchford: I missed a Leaf game for this debate? (They lost, just like Trudeau)
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elec...-just-like-trudeau/ar-AAIr11L?ocid=spartanntp
Trudeau looked grey, uncomfortable and sweaty from the outset, perhaps because he knew that without his script and a teleprompter, he’d be reaching into his bag of nose-stretchers and would stand revealed, as Scheer put it once during a question about defending Canadian interests and values on the world stage and mentioned Trudeau’s ghastly penchant for dress-up and blackface, and said in effect, no wonder he doesn’t remember how many times he put on blackface “because he’s always wearing a mask. You’re a phoney and a fraud and you don’t deserve to govern this country.”

It is mind-boggling than anyone can vote for an bumbling idiot like Trudeau at this point. I have to agree with the sentiment of a lot of people who say they would never vote NDP, but Jagmeet Singh came off as very genuine and likeable. It is too bad a disgusting scumbag like Trudeau has a far better chance of being a leader than Singh. From the article you posted:

...it was Singh who was the most humane and came as close to stealing the show as was possible given the format.

And he was funny, too.

But, as is so common with the NDP, he took it a step too far when in the midst of a yell-off about abortion, he said, “A man has no position in a discussion on a woman’s right to choose.”

And that was it — a non-debate debate, where the only time the audience cheered was about an issue (abortion) that is settled and has been unmessed-with by all governments for decades and which all leaders have pledged to leave unmessed-with.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elec...-just-like-trudeau/ar-AAIr11L?ocid=spartanntp

 

[SammyPops]

Not a question directed at me but if I can intrude for a moment.

I like his stance on business between the provinces and trying to free up some of the red tape surrounding it. It's less costly to do businesses with certain countries than it is with certain provinces which is rediculous. I don't fully understand all the variables as they are but that's worth looking into.

Also on Healthcare he doesn't want a rigid set of prerequisites imposed by the federal government on the provinces in order to conduct their affairs. If health care is a provincial matter than the federal government should keep their noses out of how we run our affairs. He thinks the guidelines lead to a less efficient system and honestly our health care system sucks. It's not a massive overhaul of anything so it won't disturb much but it can only stand to free up resources and their allocation. So why not.

Healthcare implementation is provincial, but the federal legislation Canada Health Act >>> any provincial right or responsibility

 

[irish_thug]

I voted yesterday, now i just wait for a couple of weeks.

the wife and I are going Sunday