Canadian Business Man Annihilates Republican Congressman Over Single Payer

[luckyshot]

Nowhere in the world is there a free health insurance market that works, and that's because no profit making company would willingly insure a sick person or an old person.

It's really just as simple as that.

The only way to insure old or sick people is with a risk pool, and the only way to reliably get a risk pool big enough to be affordable is single payer.

It's really a simple A, B, C argument to which there is no response because nowhere in the world does a free market healthcare system work.




The only counter-argument that the GOP has is the lie that "many Canadians and Europeans" come to American for healthcare. That is just a statistical lie, as pointed out in the video.

And please don't post that Stephen Crowder abomination where he goes to Canada and makes a video about how he can't get treated for his sore vagina on a Sunday. The truth is that satisfaction with healthcare is higher in all UH countries than it is in the United States.

WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR PEOPLE TO ADMIT THAT OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS AN ABJECT FAILURE BY ANY REASONABLE MEASUREMENT?

If there was ever an issue to be a "single issue voter" on, this is the one. Being guaranteed to be able to get medical treatment when you are sick, without going bankrupt, seems pretty central to the whole "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" thing. Not to mention, most of us with insurance in the US are pissing away way too much of our paychecks for it.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

There are rich Canadians who will go on vacation to New York City or Miami and will get stuff done in the US because they are there already and because they have money most people dont to pay the exorbitant costs and they dont want to wait in line for non-emergency stuff. But those are just a handful of rich people. Most Canadians cant afford to do this. Of course the Murkan oligarchs take these stories and blow them out of proportion.

But there are also much more poor Murkans who have for years been coming into Canada to buy affordable drugs because in the greatest country in the world they cant afford them. There have also been murkans in the border states for years using counterfeit and fake OHIP cards, and also using real cards if they have family or friends in Canada, getting free healthcare and costing Ontario up to 700$million a year. This has been going on since the 90s and recently they have been cracking down on it.

There are also tons of Murkans who buy contact lenses in Canada because of some loophole in US law that says they cant buy contacts from anyone other than whatever provider gave them an exam and they have to get the providers permission to buy elsewhere.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I'm Canadian but I've lived in the US , while we were in the US we had what I was told was excellent coverage from the state of Florida.


My Healthcare in Canada has been as good or better , in the past few years we've had deaths in the family births in the family, elderly with chronic illness, emergency room visits etc etc everything has been excellent

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Cant watch the video -- but in 2016 we saw a 40% increase of Canadians seeking health care in the US. 63'000 Canadians went the US for healthcare in 2016. Average numbers is around 45k a year. I would say that is a pretty significant. Which is odd because Canada has now seen a growth in private clinics and care.

Also, we rank below you guys in most to every quality of care outside of access and cost. Personally speaking, i would pay significantly lower for private insurance in the states for better ranked care than i do in Canada via taxes.

But i guess if you're a 34k a year'er -- having others cover your cost would be appealing.

 

[luckyshot]

I'm Canadian but I've lived in the US , while we were in the US we had what I was told was excellent coverage from the state of Florida.


My Healthcare in Canada has been as good or better , in the past few years we've had deaths in the family births in the family, elderly with chronic illness, emergency room visits etc etc everything has been excellent

I'm glad to hear you survived this near death experience.

 

[luckyshot]

Cant watch the video -- but in 2016 we saw a 40% increase of Canadians seeking health care in the US. 63'000 Canadians went the US for healthcare in 2016. Average numbers is around 45k a year. I would say that is a pretty significant. Which is odd because Canada has now seen a growth in private clinics and care.

Also, we rank below you guys in most to every quality of care outside of access and cost. Personally speaking, i would pay significantly lower for private insurance in the states for better ranked care than i do in Canada via taxes.

But i guess if you're a 34k a year'er -- having others cover your cost would be appealing.

Come on, Judo, you are a smart, numbers guy.

You are going to tell me that 65k a year is "statistically significant"? In a country of 36 MILLION people?

Check my math for me, but that's 0.002% (rounding up).

See the craziness of this argument, when you all talk about it like it is a consideration that should be on equal par with the 44 million Americans that have no insurance?

Put it another way: there are 8 million more Americans without insurance than there are total Canadians.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Does America have better quality of care than Canada? Possibly. Is it even remotely affordable? Not at all.

My brother got mugged during a visit to LA in 2009. A short visit to an ER for some stitches on the back of his head set him back $6000. If that happened at Home he wouldn’t have had to pay a dime.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Cant watch the video -- but in 2016 we saw a 40% increase of Canadians seeking health care in the US. 63'000 Canadians went the US for healthcare in 2016. Average numbers is around 45k a year. I would say that is a pretty significant. Which is odd because Canada has now seen a growth in private clinics and care.

Also, we rank below you guys in most to every quality of care outside of access and cost. Personally speaking, i would pay significantly lower for private insurance in the states for better ranked care than i do in Canada via taxes.

But i guess if you're a 34k a year'er -- having others cover your cost would be appealing.

Those numbers are insignificant also what are they going down for? If it's elective surgery like cosmetic surgery it isn't covered here , even things like blood work if not required by a doctor aren't covered and people will go down for because it's cheaper.

As for cost not sure what you're talking about the US pays twice per capita compared to Canada

 

[ultramanhyata]

Come on, Judo, you are a smart, numbers guy.

You are going to tell me that 65k a year is "statistically significant"? In a country of 36 MILLION people?

Check my math for me, but that's 0.002% (rounding up).

See the craziness of this argument, when you all talk about it like it is a consideration that should be on equal par with the 44 million Americans that have no insurance?

The saddest part is they all know they're lying but justify it by telling themselves the lies are in defense of what they're convinced is a morally superior ideology.

A market system that allows millions to suffer and die is somehow always less morally egregious than putting private insurance companies out of business in order to publicly fund medical care.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I'm glad to hear you survived this near death experience.

It was interesting we lived in a nice gated community on the water and everyday I commuted to an Industrial Park in Opa Locka right on the border with Daly City( one of the sketchiest areas in the US ) and yes I saw some crazy shit but never had any trouble

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Come on, Judo, you are a smart, numbers guy.

You are going to tell me that 65k a year is "statistically significant"? In a country of 36 MILLION?

Check my math for me, but that's 0.002% (rounding up).

This is the craziness of this partisan argument.

Yeah, it is significant because the increase of private access has also seen an increase in abroad visits -- that trend should be down. the 65 k a year in US visits only include specialists -- add in the GP visits and that number goes up and while Canada does have 36 million people, 14% o them dont have access to regular medical treatment and also subtract the huge number of us who didnt visit a dr in the past year.

I mean, if you are not going to analyze the nuance of it -- .002 is not a big number, but there are variables that make is significant - cost being the largest

Ask yourself this, the entry to 1% level income in Canada is 380k, they will pay roughly 53 k a year in taxes just for healthcare -- why would anyone go to the states for Health Care if they are already paying 50k + a year for HC in their own country (not to mention the uber rich who are paying 6 figures plus)

The quality has to be better, no?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Those numbers are insignificant also what are they going down for? If it's elective surgery like cosmetic surgery it isn't covered here , even things like blood work if not required by a doctor aren't covered and people will go down for because it's cheaper.

As for cost not sure what you're talking about the US pays twice per capita compared to Canada

Number 1 and 2 reason is neurological and cancer treatment

And, yes the US spends more per person but that is not all coming from income tax -- out of your income tax, you would pay more for UHC than you would for private insurance (assuming you making a half way decent wage)

 

[JosephDredd]

How did Canada's healthcare system fall so badly that it's barely better than America's? That's just embarassing.

 

[JosephDredd]

Number 1 and 2 reason is neurological and cancer treatment

And, yes the US spends more per person but that is not all coming from income tax -- out of your income tax, you would pay more for UHC than you would for private insurance (assuming you making a half way decent wage)

I don't believe a set portion of Canadians' income tax is specifically allotted for UHC, so how do you know that? It also goes to schooling, police, fire depts., infrastructure, national defense, etc. etc.

 

[Spoken]

Yeah, when I lived in Canada I never met anyone who intentionally went to the states for anything unless the treatment happened to be better since the city across the border has some of the best hospitals in the world.

Other than that, nothin

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

My experiences in Canada have been terrible. If you are dying or have cancer you should get pretty decent care. Need an MRI or to see a specialist for virtually anything than prepare to wait atleast 3 months for anything to be done.

And yes i was willing to go to the US to get some imaging done.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I don't believe a set portion of Canadians' income tax is specifically allotted for UHC, so how do you know that? It also goes to schooling, police, fire depts., infrastructure, national defense, etc. etc.

11% of your federal dollars go to UHC transfers. Then remember, Canada does not have a "national health plan" we have 10 -- each province runs the cost allocation and the bulk of their funding comes from provincial taxation. Standard rule is 24.5 percent of your provincal income tax (add in sales and property and sin -- which would make it more). But you can view your provinces revenue and spending breakdown to see what percentage of your income tax went to what.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

No where in the world is there a free health insurance market that works, and that's because no profit making company would willingly insure a sick person or an old person.

This is why you're supposed to buy insurance when you're young and well. Insurance is a waste of money until you need it, that's how it's supposed to work.

No profit making auto insurance company would insure a wreck either. That Canadian is no business man if he doesn't understand this.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Noting im not saying the US shouldnt adopt a SP / UHC plan -- just that Canadians should not be the country that drops critiques on their current model as aside from equatable access -- is really not much better.

But, if you guys want to use canada as an example -- then, yeah, why dont you guys adopt our model and have individual states set up, run and provide the costs for their own state ran system? Why did it fail in Vermont? Why is it dragging to pass in California?

Here are some very good articles on that possible route

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/28/single-payer-health-insurance/434353001/

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5951046be4b0c85b96c65b0b

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Cant watch the video -- but in 2016 we saw a 40% increase of Canadians seeking health care in the US. 63'000 Canadians went the US for healthcare in 2016. Average numbers is around 45k a year. I would say that is a pretty significant. Which is odd because Canada has now seen a growth in private clinics and care.

Also, we rank below you guys in most to every quality of care outside of access and cost. Personally speaking, i would pay significantly lower for private insurance in the states for better ranked care than i do in Canada via taxes.

But i guess if you're a 34k a year'er -- having others cover your cost would be appealing.

Id venture to guess that most healthcare is rather inexpensive and quick to get services. Such as mris etc. Most people dont want to wait, so they spend some money to get the mri, couple hunnit and bring it back up here for treatment.