Can you have good stand up technique but have bad boxing?

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I tend to ponder over this question everytime I watch Dominick Cruz highlights, because his boxing is really weird and doesn't seem like the best from a technical standpoint. Yet, he's still hugely successful with it and makes guys look foolish. Similar in case is Stephen Thompson.
 
Yes, just watch Buakaw.

Buakaw isn't a bad boxer let alone compared to some MMA fighters.

Cruz isn't a bad boxer either he fights mostly using his hands so obviously he's doing a lot of things right.

The most I can think of in kickboxing is Remy Bonjasky.

In MT maybe Dieselnoi but he could defen from punches and we don't know how he would have looked has he actually tried anything other than looking for the clinch.

In most cases a fighter needs to at least have an understanding of boxing so that he can defend it
 
There are plenty of really good Nak Muay and Knockdown Karate fighters who have bad boxing.
 
Sure. Boxing has a lot of technical points that aren't as essential in an MMA or kickboxing match. So you can good technique across the entire range of punching, kicking and clinching but not be particularly good on the boxing elements in isolation.
 
If you are implying that Stephen Thompson has bad boxing you are incorrect.
 
Indeed. Boxing isn't the only aspect of stand up fighting.

Look at Anthony Pettis. Great kicks, but his boxing is not as strong.
 
If you are implying that Stephen Thompson has bad boxing you are incorrect.
he has a weird style but I wouldnt call it bad boxing. I wouldnt call it boxing either tho.
 
yeah dom cruz is primarily using punches. and what he's doing is technical. it's just not traditional style of boxing. he never has his feet set, his slips are wide and are done in advance instead of reactionary, but he's always using angles, shifting, i think he's got great boxing in the sense he never gets touched. if you just look at his boxing waist down, he's got great footwork and does it for 5 rounds straight.
 
Yes. Lot of mak muays have mediocre boxing, but great muay thai. This is spread across in both amateurs and pros.
 
What kind of striking do you all practice and find most effective? I'm practicing boxing first and once I'm more experienced I'd like to try some kind of kicking sport like MT. Is that a good approach
 
what would you guys call his striking if its not boxing. "mma striking" <25>
 
I'm pretty sure boxing had kicks and grappling back in the day too.

Rules are like weeds, they tend to grow and choke things out over time if you don't cut them back. You see this is almost any old sport.
 
What kind of striking do you all practice and find most effective? I'm practicing boxing first and once I'm more experienced I'd like to try some kind of kicking sport like MT. Is that a good approach
Thats fine. At the ammy stage in MT, there's a lack of quality boxing going on, and from the gyms that do incorporate it, they perform well.
Just remember, you'll have to adjust and adapt when you cross over to a new system. Stance, kicks, leg kicks, different distance (kicking, clinching), clinch fighting, throws and dumps, etc are things you'll have to keep in consideration once you switch over.
Depending on the gym the MT will be different. Some gyms are more traditional and have a more upright and back foot heavy stance and purely focus on kicking and clinching, forgoing hands (used as bs and not a weapon), some other gyms are more "dutch" / kickboxing and will value boxing more, and have a more 50-50 or heavy front legged stance

I'm at a MMA gym, the striking is more dutch, with a strong emphasis on clinching. Recently I've been looking to incorporate more boxing in, I lost my last fight to a guy who had good boxing (hands, distance, everything, not just punching). I didn't lose purely because of the boxing element, but it was one of the factors.
So far the practice on my end has been amateur hour / self drills with training partners, and some classes when the coach brings it up. Overall, I am looking to cross train at an actual gym down the line eventually.
 
Good stand up, bad boxing is pretty much Lyoto Machida's career.

If you are implying that Stephen Thompson has bad boxing you are incorrect.

His boxing isn't that great, it's pretty basic and most of his work does come from kicks which is usually how he draws opponents in to get punched. He's not a great boxer by any means, but certainly not horrible.
 
Good stand up, bad boxing is pretty much Lyoto Machida's career.

Maybe so but the man still gave us this...

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Depends on what you mean by “good striking” and “good boxing.” I have a feeling most people mean “good boxing” as in looking nice throwing punches and slipping. Plenty of boxers who don’t have “good boxing” in that sense are successful in fighting in the sport of boxing.
 
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