Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by MXZT, Jun 30, 2020.
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It is patently ridiculous to suggest something like Chartres Cathedral is more impressive than Khufu. Of course it is subjective, but on a scale of what is more difficult to achieve in any time period, including our own, it's not even in the same universe of complexity in terms of re-constructing the two. All the Gothic Cathedrals combined wouldn't be as expensive to recreate as the great pyramid at Giza.
we don't have modern apparatuses to build the great pyramid today and it would be the single most expensive project in recorded history to cut, quarry and move the stones followed by recreating the internal and external structure.
People who haven't really thought about it have no idea how fucking bananas it is that so called "primitive" people, 300 years from being essentially nomads, built what we see at Giza.
Of course we could build the great pyramid today, but we would have to construct an entire new set of tools to do it as we do nothing anywhere near it in scale with cut rock in modern times and we don't have the cranes set up to do it either...and that is all after having cut, quarried and moved the stones.
Their are 2.3 million stones in the great pyramid weighing from 1 to 80 tons each. It's also engineered with 8 sides, not 4 which further complicates everything. Everything about it is complicated, despite most seeing it as a simple shape of block building. It would take SERIOUS engineering and ground planning to get anywhere near the accuracy of the alignment to the cardinal directions as well, the accuracy of its alignment to true north is 3/60's of a degree off of perfection...and that's on a 14 acre foot print. That is insanely hard to do, doesn't matter what time you live in.
this place is like a nightmare come to life when you are inside it. I'm speaking of the inside, the place is very disorienting...
Again I think a lot of it comes down to the way society functioned there, you had a very dense population in the Nile valley on fertile land that could create a lot of excess food(it supported Rome for centuries latter in history) and when the Nile flooded these farmers could work there land.
I would add as well its not as is the Giza pryamids come out of nowhere is it? you can see the development that happens at Dashur from the stepped Pyramid to the errors of the bent pyramid and then the red pyramid.
I’ve been to the pyramids, the blocks are wonky and mishapen and missized. It’s big, but it’s not necessarily precise. And they don’t know how long it took, either it took 10s of thousands of slaves several years to build, or less slaves but took decades.
Modern engineering would have each block done to micrometer accuracy. And if you threw the Chinese at it, it would be done under 3 months.
Most think now those were built later in an attempt to do what was already there(Giza)
The guys that do my yard, Paco and Raul, can probably build it themselves.
The only reason it wasn't built taller than The Great Pyramid was because the land was in the path of the airport runways.
The Science Channel had a series called, "If we built it today". The first episode was about building the Great Pyramid.
This is one of the recurring topics on this site. There are people who say it is so precisely built but it's impossible to measure because the casing stones are gone. Some people think it's built entirely of precisely cut stone but it's more likely that it's made of roughly cut irregular stone on the perimeter and filled in with stone rubble on the inside. With today's technology it could easily be built. The Great Pyramid weighs about 6 million pounds. This should have been 6 million tons which is still the equivalent of 261,000 23 ton containers. That is the equivalent of about 261,000 fully loaded twenty foot long shipping containers. The Port of Shanghai handles 42 million containers a year or 115,000 per day so 261,000 containers would be about 2 days and 4 hours worth.
Today we have the capability of precisely cutting even hard stone like granite fairly quickly and we have machines that could set large stones at great heights.
This estimate said 1.2 billion in 2018.
Other estimates go up to $5 billion.
I don't recall what the "If we built it today" estimate was.
They spent almost $2 billion to build a stadium for a mediocre Raider football team and $5 billion for the Rams and Chargers that nobody will go to.
I remember watching a documentary back in the 90s where a group of people tried building the 20ft of the pyramid that is missing..
That was a task in itself and they didn't even succed at the true dimensions.
“I can see so far because I stand on the shoulders of giants.”
We might lack the artistry but dumb to suggest we lack the technology.
yes and it cracks me up whenever anyone says otherwise
trump should build the biggest pyramid and the greatest wall
yes, what a stupid fucking question
What makes you think we don't have the equipment to build it? We have cranes that can lift more weight much higher and farther than necessary to build it.
As far as cutting rock, we quarry and cut a lot of rock in the US and import even more.
It is very easy to align the cardinal directions. Put a vertical post in the ground and mark it's shadow through the day from sunrise to sunset. The shortest shadow is at noon. An equal distance either side of that gives you East and West. Lay out a square with one side on the East-West line and the other sides are aligned. The people who think the pyramid is so accurate are grasping at straws because there is nothing left to measure to get any precision measurements.
I would suggest that the timelines are a bit screwed up on which pyramids were built at what times...more than a bit. For example, the entire orthodox view of why the Great Pyramid must have been built in 20 years is because it was a tomb for the Pharaoh Khufu...then you start to dig into why they think it was a tomb for the Pharaoh Khufu...and it's a joke, built on the flimsiest of evidence.
You are assuming their foundational times for the pyramids are correct. I think they are not.
It makes no sense, if you understand the structures, that they go from the original pyramid of Djoser to the Great Pyramid at Giza (Khufu)... They aren't even remotely the same thing and they are separated by very little time in the orthodox timeline:
2670–2650 BC Djoser
2580–2560 BC Khufu
and these are two of the earliest large structures in Egypt...AND, there are "shitboxes" littered everywhere in between that pose as some sort of "intermediary" stage of development...makes no sense if you have looked at all the pyramids in any detail.
Khufu stands out along with the other 2 on the Giza plateau that stand next to it...and the Red Pyramid. Many of the others beg the question "who the fuck was doing that, because it was not the same people".
Oh it’s impressive but with modern tech, totally doable today.
It wasn't built by slaves or aliens......
Just normal free humans, you don't repair leg fractures on slaves...........
Do some research..........
The weight of the stone is not the issue, there are practical applications for the tools we have that make no sense for a project like the great pyramid. That's because we don't build anything REMOTELY close to the scale of the great pyramid in stone and certainly nothing on that level of accuracy. The logistics of this project are like nothing we do or have ever done in modern civilization.
Again, I am not saying this is impossible for us to do. At all.
Architect Jean-Pierre Houdin has a cool theory, and he spent half a lifetime coming up with it. I don't know if he came up with the internal ramp theory, but he certainly has gone to great lengths to lay it out.
As mysterious as the construction is, how they cut the granite blocks, and carved/aligned them so perfectly astounds me just as much, at least at the Giza complex. What's equally astounding, is the plateau, and the basalt flooring. Don't forget, there are channels far underground too.
Either the dynastic Egyptians were far more advanced than we know, or someone else built them. The engineering is elite.
Look at the Serapeum of Saqqara . How they carved, and moved those "boxes", is incredible, even highly difficult by today's standards
Meet Big Carl. It could sit on one side of the pyramid and set blocks on the other side, can lift 5500 tons and is 800 feet high.
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