Can the Knuckle choke be effective while in somebody's guard...

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  1. ReignDrop22

    ReignDrop22 White Belt

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    Versus in the mounting position as seen here: http://www.submissions101.com/chokes38.htm

    Quite frequently I find myself being pulled down by opponents while in their guard. Do you think this particular choke can be executed from inside your opponents guard?

    Thanks in advance.


    -RD
     
  2. ShanghaiBJJ

    ShanghaiBJJ Brown Belt

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    Very slim chance.

    if the guy is paying attention it can get you into trouble (sweep, back taken,...) quickly.
     
  3. FlameBoy

    FlameBoy Green Belt

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    Not much chance at all - might be able to fake it get a reaction - but thats the very limit on a decent grappler
     
  4. Nickynoneck

    Nickynoneck Purple Belt

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    i love that choke doing it in judo they always think your gonna grab the lepekl and go for the choke , i have to change it up though and use my palm instead of my knuckles( to make it legal for judo) and as my palm goes on the neck my chin pushes down and the choke is applyed .
     
  5. Big Eck

    Big Eck On the mat

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    If somebody did that to me from inside my guard, the least that would happen is that their posture would be instantly broken down. Get past the legs for that one.
     
  6. Thalion

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  7. furdog

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    Okay, this is for the strong guys. I usually do the knuckle choke without wrapping the first arm around underneath his neck. If you are strong enough, you could cause a guy to tap just with your shoulder/arm strength--but that's not the point. If you do it with one arm, you have another keeping your posture, and you cause the guy to be uncomfortable so he tries to move your hand. Once his arms are up to move my hand I go for a keylock. So it's decent for baiting.
     
  8. Jdow187

    Jdow187 Purple Belt

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    Like previously said.

    Its a pretty slim chance
     
  9. MUSK

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    Lets say you have a triangle not really set on the right side..you can use your left fist to push up againts his right side of the neck to choke him..It will choke him but I have not seen anyone tap from this.
     
  10. The Colonel

    The Colonel Purple Belt

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    Wait, you mean in judo its illegal to drive your knuckles into the side of someone's neck?

    I use knuckle chokes quite often from mount (to bug a very defensive fighter, open things up, set up armlocks etc. and I even sometimes get a tap) and from kesa-gatame if I guy is defending well I'll just drive my knuckles into his carotid. I was always taught to bug the neck in BJJ and knuckle chokes are a great way of doing so.
     
  11. EE6_TBOIO_MATb

    EE6_TBOIO_MATb Blue Belt

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    It s kind of a dirty move.

    I didn t know it was allowed in judo rules
     
  12. Darksky

    Darksky Blue Belt

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    Dangerous
     
  13. Nickynoneck

    Nickynoneck Purple Belt

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    in judo with that style choke the ref will stand you up cuz it may look like your doing nothing so u kinda have to get it on while showing it off if you know what i mean , just cuz its so close to the chin of your opponent
     
  14. Thalion

    Thalion Green Belt

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    it's legal

    There is a choke, Tsukkomi Jime, that's is all about pushing with the knucle to the charotid while pulling the opposite lapel.

    http://www.jigorokano.it/Cartella Ne Waza/Tsukkomi Jime.html
     
  15. Nickynoneck

    Nickynoneck Purple Belt

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    yeah that choke is iam talkinga bout the positioning int he other one if your do it certain way they will stand you up i have been there , so i just use my palm to show i dont have it close to the trachea or something , i was told by the my sensi who has coached at the canada winter games and holds the highest level in reffing so what ever he told me i changed it so i could do it in tournaments , in randori i use my knuckles .
     
  16. itlnheat

    itlnheat Blue Belt

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    Just work on passing, When your going for submissions from someones guard your at risk. When slipping your hand behind someones head like that your at risk for a straight armbar and sweeps/reversal from your base being off.
     
  17. Darkslide632

    Darkslide632 Brown Belt

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    No gi, I doubt it... the gi version, however, is so powerful that it can be applied from virtually anywhere with some success. I would not be surprised to see someone subbed with the gi version by someone in the guard, though I personally wouldn't suggest it be your first thought.
     

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