Can Muscle mass have a negative effect on cardio?

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  1. NBEOTM

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    While there are plenty of big guys with great cardio all that come to mind for me, are natrually big guys with natrually bigger hearts and lungs. In theory lets say a guy otherwise in good shape adds a large portion of muscle to his frame. Would his cardio suffer from the added weight?
     
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    Yes, muscles need O2.
     
  3. milano

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    Which big guys with great cardio come to mind?
     
  4. Mumrik

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    More weight means you need more energy to move it. It's not as simple as someone like Joe Rogan makes it sound though. I think a lot of it has to do with adapting to your size.
     
  5. James Fuller

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    Yes it does. Intentionally adding mass as a way to improve athletic performance is rarely the right thng for someone is a very bad cost-benefit use of time. I can only think of cases like royce doing the roids for the open weight tourney or mir trying not to get bullied by lesnar as cases increased muscle mass at least made sense.
     
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    If you spend all your time lifting weights and don't do any cardio, your cardio will suffer.
     
  10. DeathAndHealing

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    Good question! I tried to research this before but couldnt find anything legit.

    My question, not to hijack your thread is.. What would benefit someone more, muscle mass or fat? Think of it context to MMA, where even muscular people gas alot. If muscle consumes more oxygen then fat, and you can become as strong as someone with muscles, than what is the benefit for MMA?
     
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    it is a balance issue. Gaining strength doing low reps, powerful exercises can add tons of power without gaining too much muscle. If you can gain a lot of power and you have room to within your weight class, 5-10lbs of muscle won't kill your cardio and you and your brothers have almost no muscle mass.
     
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    by no means should anyone see having muscle as an impairment. They just have to work equally as hard on building cardiovascular endurance and muscular endurance as they did building those big gunz
     
  13. mmafreedom

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    Of course muscle mass. Fat is dead weight and provides nothing to improve your performance. It slows you down and requires your muscles to work harder to move your body. Muscle mass, moves your body faster although does require more oxygen. I know which one i'd prefer.
     
  14. rtfm

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    It's about specifics:

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    If you gain muscle it will impact how much oxygen you need but it may also impact how much power you can produce. It's about work done in a timed period ie power. As far as I'm aware most sports talked about on this forum require a certain amount of work to be done over a timed period.

    If I was being specific and was to take a UFC championship bout you'd have 5 rounds of 5 minutes with 1 minute rest between rounds. If you'd trained for 3 minutes of max work followed by 1 minute rest then you
     
  15. James Fuller

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    I was on ss for 6 months before switching to the texas method. I squat over 2.5 xmy body weight dead even more and press a terrible 165. So I agree its totally worth it to add 5 or 10 pounds in fact I have done just that this year yet can easily cut down to a LOWER weight because of the muscle. My point was the mass you gain that way is coincidental to your primary goal of strength building; its working muscle. It helps you do something in a way a PRIMARY mass program does not.

    Strength high in proportion to mass helps cardio bc you exert less effort to move a object around. My brother has much better cardio but when moving furniture or heavy lifting he is out of breath first...60% exertion is less tiring than 80more than enough to counter act cardio affects of the mass. but this is not the case with mass focused programs bc they build mass at a higher proportion to strength. Thus you have the doubly whammy of increased muscle nass to oxygnate and you have to exert a higher % of your 1rm than the man who built strength first and added mass as an accident. Pretty basic, common sense.
     
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    I've found that adding muscles has hurt my anaerobic capacity more than anything (or maybe I just have higher standards now).

    Even at my largest (225 @ 18% b/f so not huge by any stretch) I could still run three miles in under 18min.

    Now that I'm down to about 198 @ 13% b/f I'm still surprised how quickly I gas in the ring, compared to my ability to do steady-state endurance stuff.
     
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    ^call me crazy but this is why I feel a scientic yet hefty weight can be a bonus, the equivalent of training with a 20 lb vest. I lose some strength and muscle no doubt but gain cardio by fight time due to having cannabalized a portion of it. Its about balance and discipline and a smart cut/recovery imo
     
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    Short answer yes..
     
  19. TrainingAdict

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    Answer is NO if you gain the weight steadily and keep up your cardio.
     
  20. Aaron Perls

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    Sure, but the reality is that if you're trying to gain muscle efficiently, you're going to cut down on cardio, especially longer, steady-state type training.

    The reality is if you want to put on some significant muscle, and have good aerobic/anaerobic conditioning, unless you want it to take years, and years and years, you're going to cut cardio, bulk-up, go through periodization so youre body gets used to walking around at that weight, then you're going to have to re-condition yourself aerobically/anaerobically.

    It's just like you CAN can get big without putting on a bunch of fat, but it will take much longer than if you just buckle-down, grow your muscles, and cut the fat later. (What is nice is cutting fat and increasing aerobic/anaerobic capacity are goals that can be easily achieved at the same time).

    If you want to ad significant muscle, I think you need to be prepared to be a little chubby, and get a de-conditioned for a little while.
     

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