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Can I get stronger doing just Deadlifts and Squats?

Discussion in 'Strength & Conditioning Discussion' started by AKJ, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. AKJ White Belt

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    Basically, I'm training MMA, Muay Thai and BJJ most days of the week. Structure this around work and I am left with little time. I'm a complete beginner in strength training and Starting strength is kinda out of the question because I can't just do that, and squating 3 times a week with what I do already might kill me.

    HOWEVER, I am willing to invest in a cheap squat rack, bar etc. so my question is, can I make significant strength gains, that will improve performance by just squating and dealifting heavy 2 times a week?
     
  2. theBrookDweller Blue Belt

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    I wouldn't say "significant" but you will certainly make strength gains
     
  3. miaou barely keeping it together

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    Yes you can.

    There are many more exercises you can do with a bar and a squat rack and I can't see a reason why you would limit yourself to only squats and deadlifts though.
     
  4. CoreCanyon Geez, lots of new people.

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    The short answer is yes. Have you by chance read Starting Strength?
     
  5. Indivdude Blue Belt

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    Yeah definitely. Not sure if its the best way to do so but its definitely better than most. There are other exercises though. What about overhead work, bench, clean, jerk, etc.
     
  6. TrainingAdict Orange Belt

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    If you have a squat rack, might as well throw in overhead presses / pushpresses / jerks.
     
  7. Bennayboi Yellow Belt

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    Unless youre a professional fighter or have upcoming fights i think you should tone down the martial arts training so that you can do adequate strength training. Nobody wants to admit it, but strength is one of the most important factors in any fight. A good workout you could do as a two day split or ABA BAB 3 times a week is:

    Squat 3x5
    Press 3x5
    Deadlift 1x5

    Squat 3x5
    Push-ups(weighted with a backpack full of items/weights if theyre easy)
    Bent over Row 3x5

    Definitely buy and read Starting Strength.
     
  8. Dafreeclinic Orange Belt

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    Or just press in both or press and then do dips.
     
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    Or just get a bench and put it inside the rack to bench.
     
  10. rckvl Blue Belt

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    I would, but I suppose it's all about perspective.
     
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    Don't be a pussy, do the starting strength and eat bacon NOW.
     
  12. VoodooPlata Brown Belt

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    Oneproblem with your approach is that a workout should really be more than 45 minutes long for maximum hormonal response (which you want). It shouldn't be much longer than that, either - 45-60 minutes is perfect. But just doing deads and squats 5 * 5 will probably be over quicker than 45 mins. I agree with a previous poster - get a bench as well. If you bench, squat and deadlift 5 * 5 two to three times a week you will become a lot stronger.
     
  13. miaou barely keeping it together

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    Source?



    EDIT: Who says it should be "more than 45 minutes long for maximum hormonal response"? And why do you want this?? And why shouldn't it "be much longer than that, either - 45-60 minutes is perfect"???


    And let's suppose for a moment that you take long breaks... What if, "just doing deads and squats 5 * 5" is actually between 45-60 mins? ...and what if it is more than 60 mins??
     
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  14. chia POWER OF THE GLOW

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    It's from a few outdated studies that show hormonal response peaks at around 45-60 min and declines after that. It's also why many weightlifting programs limit sessions to 45-60 minutes but spread work throughout multiple sessions. I think now most people consider this to be a bunch of BS since the studies have too many externalities to really be meaningful and the actual level of hormonal response is insignificant compared to the benefits of having well structured overall programming.
     
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    When does the clock start ticking on this window out of interest? Surely it can't be as soon as you bowl through the gym doors... Is it then your first warm up set, your first work set, your first set above 90% etc.

    I think if you are limited for time, pressing/push pressing, alternating front squat and deadlift and throwing in a couple of sets of chins once a week would be fine. (of course trying to increase weights or reps each week)

    I disagree that you should "tone down" skills training to accomodate greater strength training if you want to become a better fighter. Either increase your work capacity so you can keep up this level/frequency of skill training and do a decent 2 day strength training split (by slowly increasing your volume/frequency of strength training) or just do a once a week, very abbreviated strength training routine, I still think you would make decent gains.
     
  16. ghostwipe Black Belt

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    Do two heavy days a week (or even one):

    Day 1
    squats
    bench

    Day 2
    deadlift
    overhead press
     
  17. Sakmongkol Yellow Belt

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    Back work?

    I think this is good but the OP should at least do sets of chins between pressing/benching sets...
     
  18. PowerHungry Oh yeah!

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    My clock starts ticking 9 seconds after I take my GNC preworkout ultra, efficient, caffeinated stack of NANOX9, Nitrix, NO Xplode, and AIDS.
     
  19. bobthebuilder Special Belt

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    I lift once every 1-2 weeks and the numbers usually go up each time, but that's noob gains for you.
     
  20. StinkFist** Brown Belt

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    Ive made tremendous gains with the following:

    Squats
    Deadlift
    Bench Press
    Military Press
    Pullbacks/Rows

    3 sets of each, twice a week. Reps go from 10 on day 1, 8 on day 2, 6 on day 3, 4 on day 4, and 2 on day 5. Then I start over at 10 reps again.
     

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