Campaign funding from Health Insurance and Pharma blocks hopes for Single-Payer enthusiasts

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Campaign funding from Health Insurance and Pharma blocks hopes for Single-Payer enthusiasts
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by Josh Finkelstein on January 31, 2018


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    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont hosted a town hall recently to discuss the Medicare for All Act, during which he emphasized a conflict of interest around involving the private sector in healthcare.

    “Right now, we have a healthcare system that is not designed to provide quality care to all people in a cost effective way,” Sanders said at the town hall. “Let us be frank, we have a healthcare system designed to make enormous profits for insurance companies and drug companies. And disease prevention is not very high on their lists.”

    Sanders isn’t alone in his sentiment. A number of polls last year (see here, here, and here) indicate that a growing plurality of Americans support switching to a single-payer healthcare system, including a substantial majority of Democrats.

    A single-payer system would change the current healthcare system by using taxes to expand Medicare coverage to all Americans, allowing anyone to access free care whenever they need it.

    However, Congress may be slow to respond to the growing interest in the healthcare model found in Canada and across much of Western Europe. The influence-wielding of insurance and pharmaceutical companies appears to be a barrier preventing Congress from embracing single-payer.

    A Center for Responsive Politics analysis found a correlation between congressional Democrats’ support for single-payer proposals and contributions received from the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

    One-third of Senate Democrats have cosponsored the Medicare for All Act, which Sanders introduced in September. Democrats who haven’t cosponsored the bill received 146 percent more money on average from health insurance companies between 2011 and 2016 than those who have ($147,186 to $59,789) and 60 percent more from pharma ($252,369 to $157,768)
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/01/campaign-funding-from-health-insurance-and-pharma/


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@Jack V Savage




Funny how every presidential candidate was saying that money is corrupting our politics in that video,(must be a popular thing to say according to their pollsters) and they all seem to agree, and yet nothing is ever done about it.

The explanation is simple. The people making the laws are bought and paid for, so we can't actually solve any problems, including the corruption driven by the money and lobbying.

I'm sure I sound like a broken record here, but this is where Bernie Sanders was different. He told us all, that electing him president would not solve anything. That only if the millions of people he needs to show up to his rallies to be elected president, continue to show up, and demand the corruption be fixed, can we remove ourselves from this path that must eventually end with a cliff.

That there is no savoir coming to fix anything. That even if trump really did have good intentions, that he doesn't have the power to change anything of import. That only millions of people organizing to create leverage that outweighs that which is created by this legal bribery, can the system be set to balance.
 
To all the trump folks, how do you think a immigration deal, where the government is bought and paid for, is going to work out for you?

You think Soros and the democrats are making a deal with trump, that you would support?
 
By not singling out Democrats and Republicans in your OP you've bypassed 97% of the War Room. They simply cannot hear bipartisan complaints because it makes their entire party look bad, so don't expect any legitimate replies.

Honestly, there's too many narrow-minded bitches to fix any major issues. They're too dialed into whatever Fox, CNN, NBC, etc have to say.
 
Tip to single payer advocates-stop using the "healthcare is a right" slogan. While it sounds appealing to angsty college kids, stabucks baristas, and single moms, it just makes you sound like you've never read the constitution.
 
I had free healthcare in the military I’ll pass
 
I don't support single-payer healthcare, because I don't want my health care to have all the "efficiency" of a VA Hospital.
 
Whatever it takes to remove the profit motive from the health care industry. This is a #1 issue moving into a future with life extending technology rapidly being developed.
 
Whatever it takes to remove the profit motive from the health care industry. This is a #1 issue moving into a future with life extending technology rapidly being developed.
So the fact that that stuff is being developed because of the profit motive is why we should get rid of the profit motive
 
Tip to single payer advocates-stop using the "healthcare is a right" slogan. While it sounds appealing to angsty college kids, stabucks baristas, and single moms, it just makes you sound like you've never read the constitution.

Are you saying you would only accept the concept of health care as a right if it was preceded by passage of a specific constitutional amendment to that effect?
 
Overhead for the Medicare system is something like 3% and the overhead for some insurance companies is as much as 14%. Just by going to an all Medicare system, there would be huge savings right off the bat. Plus, since there are so many insurance companies and they each have huge layers of management and having a single payor would provide great benefit in efficiencies.

With single payer billing becomes significantly more efficient. Instead of having like 70 insurance contracts and billing procedures to manage hospitals and clinics would have only one. This would life so much easier and efficient and greatly reduce the number of accounting staff required.

I can go on and on of why single payor makes sense but it needs to be done right.
 
I don't support single-payer healthcare, because I don't want my health care to have all the "efficiency" of a VA Hospital.

Weird since all developed countries that properly fund their single payer systems, and even those who don't, have higher "efficiency," lower "cost," and higher patient "satisfaction," than the United States.

Oh, and their citizens live longer "lives."
 
I don't support single-payer healthcare, because I don't want my health care to have all the "efficiency" of a VA Hospital.

I have VA health care and it kicks ass. The closest VA hospital is about 80 miles away, so if I have to go to the ER or anything like that I just go to the regular hospital and the VA picks up the tab.

I also had to have surgery when I broke my ankle, and it was all done by regular civilian doctors. There is a VA clinic in my town, but it basically serves as my family doctor as I just go there for labs every 6 months or to get a flu shot.

I do have a co-pay, because I'm not a disabled vet, but it's next to nothing. It's $10 for standard appointments (Labs, Check ups, follow ups, etc...) $50 a specialty appointment (ER vist, surgery, etc..) and a flat fee of $8 a month if you need prescriptions.

After all was said and done my ankle surgery only cost me around $260. That includes the prescription, the two casts, crutches, the ER visits, and the follow up appointments.
 
Campaign funding from Health Insurance and Pharma blocks hopes for Single-Payer enthusiasts

"Those goddamn Health Insurance Companies! Don't they know its in everybody's best interest that they're shut down?"

"And they're contributing to politicians to prevent them from shutting down? So is like heath insurance for health insurance companies!?!"

"I am so mad about this I'm going to write an article criticizing these health insurance companies for not agreeing to die, so my socialist utopian dream won't ever happen!"
 
Are you saying you would only accept the concept of health care as a right if it was preceded by passage of a specific constitutional amendment to that effect?
Im saying it cant exist as a right.
 
I'm not a single payer enthusiast but I can't imagine anyone truly believes that our for-profit system where access to care is partially dictated by where you work and what your insurance company thinks you should have is a system designed to maximize healthcare outcomes.

It's funny, lawyers settle cases because sometimes it's cheaper to get a less than optimal result. It's been proven that real estate agents sell your house for less than they sell their own because there's no profit in holding out for the absolute best price for you.

The free market makes very clear that so long as there is a profit motive in an industry, the industry will always shortchange the consumer to maximize profits. We regulate industries precisely to limit how much they shortchange the consumer in search of profits.

We massively regulate almost every aspect of the health industry already. So, it's weird to see anyone argue that capitalism and free market is an important part of this conversation - we abandoned that a long, long time ago. What matters is maximizing outcome for an industry we already invest heavily in.
 
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