Calling all Bernie Sanders supporters

Oh man.

I work with alot of really far right leaning guys. They sat around the other day and lamented the pillaging of Social Security.

They all think Reagan is the greatest human in the history of humans.

There is a serious disconnect.

Hey man I'm from Texas so I know what you mean lol
 
Does it matter if he is elected? When automation happends, and it will, and millions of jobs are wiped out overnight, what do we do?
Americans are going to have to address socialism at some point, and sooner is better than later.

So true. USA might have to go through another Great Depression before the people realize it's time to take action.
 
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Does it matter if he is elected? When automation happends, and it will, and millions of jobs are wiped out overnight, what do we do?
Americans are going to have to address socialism at some point, and sooner is better than later.

When that happens we as a society will have to redefine this "money" thing we invented, and rethink this whole notion that everyone needs to be doing jobs all the time.

 
When that happens we as a society will have to redefine this "money" thing we invented, and rethink this whole notion that everyone needs to be doing jobs all the time.

“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”
― R. Buckminster Fuller

I totally agree. As we become a more and more techy civilization as a whole, this problem will only increase for those who are stuck in it.

Let's say we invent super smart robots, that can take over most work from economics to manual labor.

What now? Should have an even smaller group of people (the ones owning the robots) that have it all and everyone else should starve because there is no work to be done?
Maybe we should celebrate the fact that we don't have to fight for our survival every single day like we have in the past. It's a good thing.
 
I totally agree. As we become a more and more techy civilization as a whole, this problem will only increase for those who are stuck in it.

Let's say we invent super smart robots, that can take over most work from economics to manual labor.

What now? Should have an even smaller group of people (the ones owning the robots) that have it all and everyone else should starve because there is no work to be done?
Maybe we should celebrate the fact that we don't have to fight for our survival every single day like we have in the past. It's a good thing.

Shit yeah, man. That's the ultimate thriving as a species. We should be trying to do as little work as possible, so we can all just make cool shit and play all day.
 
Shit yeah, man. That's the ultimate thriving as a species. We should be trying to do as little work as possible, so we can all just make cool shit and play all day.

It's cool in theory but it has its downside. Ever been to the cardiac unit in your local hospital? Last year we did 800 open heart surgeries.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. Besides throwing out a bunch of irrelevant facts without attaching them to economic policy (which I won't even dignify), you're completely off on the point of debt. National debt per GDP at the time of the New Deal was at an all-time high, far beyond any historical trend to that point in non-war periods. And following the New Deal and the expense of WWII, federal debt reached a point even higher than what it is now, but then swiftly shrank because of the policies in the New Deal and its reduction didn't stop until Reagan assumed office and started the upward debt trend again.

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Oh nos a chart! I lose! Too bad your own chart shows that the debt was the result of the new deal and ww2. Fdr didnt layout MASSIVE programs when they were deep in debt. We already have the massive debt.
 
Oh and in regards to Bernie, at least the guy has stuck to his position for as long as anyone can remember whether you support him or not. He doesn't seem to be the type to stick to his position to a fault either, like some presidents we have had. Not to derail the thread but I think the most difficult challenge he will have is raising taxes on the rich. Maybe the reason people are not in here crapping on this thread is you specifically asked for his supporters.

The argument of taxing the rich always drifts toward "what is actually rich?" I suppose people support someone making 200,000 grand a year and getting taxed 50-60% of their income is a good thing, but then it is always "not them the super rich." Well the super rich know how to beat the system always have, always will.

200k a year is nowhere near rich. I know many couples that make that much and more combined and its not what u think it is.
 
The automation boogeyman. If you work in industry you know how far we are from the type of automation that will make a sudden terrible jolt on the economy. It will be constant and steady giving the economy and world plenty of time to react accordingly. If that is the reason you are using to elect bernie Sanders you'll have to do better.
 
The automation boogeyman. If you work in industry you know how far we are from the type of automation that will make a sudden terrible jolt on the economy. It will be constant and steady giving the economy and world plenty of time to react accordingly. If that is the reason you are using to elect bernie Sanders you'll have to do better.

Automation is inevitable. However, it should not be a boogeyman, it should be celebrated.

We can always view things from a negative perspective if we so wish. But look at the big picture as resources become abundant for everyone instead of hoarded by a few.

This world is already good, but imagine how great it could be.
 
Oh nos a chart! I lose! Too bad your own chart shows that the debt was the result of the new deal and ww2. Fdr didnt layout MASSIVE programs when they were deep in debt. We already have the massive debt.

I should have expected you'd recoil at the sight of empirical data.

The New Deal laid out the infrastructure to cut debt long-term. Notice that, before WWII or the New Deal, debt per GDP has been rising in a double dip?

Yeah you are parroting propaganda.

Bernie Sanders supported Wall Street bailouts as did all liberal economists and people who didn't want the nations to go down in flame. Both Bernie and Hillary also supported increased regulations.

Breaking up the big banks does NOT mean less corruption. Being against a bank simply because its big is stupid. Furthermore, Jp Morgan and Chase did NOT need TARP money they were basically forced by the Treasury to accept it.

Hillary has NEVER said she supported the Transpacific Partnership

Hillary has NEVER said she supports the Keystone pipeline

And the rest below that is bullshit. Ill give you that some of the stuff on that list are true but there are a lot of lies on there.

On the TPP in regard to Clinton:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/polit...linton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

In regard to Keystone, I'll grant that she's hasn't explicitly supported the development, but the silence is deafening. You can debate whether her refusal to address the issue head-on is political pussy-footing or hedging, but it's still there.

In regard to Sanders on the bailout, which I think everyone here would agree was necessary in some form:

Sanders proposed a five-year, 10 percent surtax on families with incomes of more than $1 million year and individuals earning over $500,00 to raise $300 billion to help bankroll the bailout. Senators, however, set aside the amendment on a voice vote.

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"This bill does not deal with the absurdity of having the fox guarding the hen house. Maybe I'm the only person in America who thinks so, but I have a hard time understanding why we are giving $700 billion to the Secretary of the Treasury, the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, who along with other financial institutions, actually got us into this problem. Now, maybe I'm the only person in America who thinks that's a little bit weird, but that is what I think.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2008/10/01/wall-street-bailout
 
Sadly, I would be VERY surprised if this was the case.



Wow, his post went right over your head, so much that I have to assume you ducked.

I think the main difference in how you two "perceive" the world is that he proactively attempts to understand it, and you take it at face value of what is presented to you personally right now.


You think wrong.
 
considering socialist countries have the highest quality of life and the happiest people on earth, it might do a little good to have one in the high post for a few years.

Just ask the citizens of China, a country that commits more open human rights violations against it's own citizens than the rest of the world combined.
 
Oh man.

I work with alot of really far right leaning guys. They sat around the other day and lamented the pillaging of Social Security.

They all think Reagan is the greatest human in the history of humans.

There is a serious disconnect.

I live in Iowa around a bunch of old Republican farmers who constantly bitch about the farming crisis of the 1980s while talking about how Democrats never did anything for them...
 
200k a year is nowhere near rich. I know many couples that make that much and more combined and its not what u think it is.

If you're making 200k a year you're doing just fine. If you can't live on that, it isn't an indication of how much money you don't have.
 
Just ask the citizens of China, a country that commits more open human rights violations against it's own citizens than the rest of the world combined.

If you think that China is a socialist country, then you've already tipped your hand that you don't know what you're talking about.

"But their ruling party is the Communist Party!!!1!"
 
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