Cains Legacy

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  1. fedoriswar37

    fedoriswar37 Brown Belt

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    Simple question. If Cain were to retire today where does he stand In heavyweight history. Hes been routinely thrown into the GOAT conversation , i dont personally agree with it but can see where people are coming from. Hes had a rather wierd career plagued with injuries, inactivity, and 5 fights against 2 guys in a span of a few years. I have him around the 5 range. After Fedor Nogueira Werdum and JDS
     
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    Cain at this point isn't even top 10 HW in my eyes
     
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    he will be considered the greatest that never was. shame because he had GOAT potential. i hate though how people downplay his record by saying oh he only fought 4 guys etc.. etc.., you forgot that he beat JDS who before Cain ran through division like nothing and destroyed Bigfoot who destroyed Fedor, Travis Browne (before Edmund) and Overeem. It's not like it was just 4 random low level guys but whatever.
     
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    He's most famous for being injured in my mind. I know he's one of the best HWs ever but when someone says Cain Velasquez the first thing I think of is injury
     
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    He absolutely is and im not even the biggest fan of him.
     
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    He ushered in the machida era at HW
     
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    Fedor
    Nog
    CC
    Werdum
    Arlovsi
    Sylvia
    Barnett
    JDS
    Mir
    Couture

    All have better careers than him

    Potential aside... Cain is in the Brock/Overeem/Randleman range
     
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    shonuf Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    I agree with him being behind Fedor, JDS, Nog, and Werdum.. He'd probably beat Nog at any point but i have Nog as having a better career.

    Just fighting so few people over the last few years hurts him. He fought 4 people i think and lost to 2 of them. When he was hurt JDS was clearing out a lot of the division. At one point when Cain was hurt i think JDS had beat something like 7 or 8 or the top 10. He's a legit top guy though. Some guys you can argue about their skills but i Cain is a great fighter imo.
     
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    When healthy he is the closest to unbeatable we have fighting in his weightclass
    Any fighter who has that moniker is a legend in his division
     
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    Above I listed 10 heavyweights who I feel have more or better career accomplishments. His resume isn't even as good as JDS, not even close
     
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    metal7555 Fan of MMA since '98

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    Maybe #9 or 10 all time. Kinda hard to put him over Couture, Fedor, Barnett, Crocop.. Mir... Nog.... Werdum and shit while we're at it -- As much as no one wants to hear it, Sylvia and maybe Arlovski.

    dude has 16 fights in 10 years, and 5 of those fights are the same two people.

    It just doesn't make sense to put him above any of the above in any way shape or form.

    The only thing I wish is that he didn't over-train so we could have seen more.
     
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    He'll be known as the UFC HW's "Gingerbread" Man.

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    someone said it best above; "one of the best who never was"
    Or as Denzel said in training day "all that jelly and no toast"
     
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    Those leg curls will be remembered long after he's gone.
     
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    This isn't based on much though... he has some big wins in JDS, Brock and Bigfoot (maybe Rothwell too but I don't think Rothwell was as good yet back then, it was a long time ago) but he isn't a GSP or Anderson figure who ran through a division. He hasn't beaten Werdum, Stipe, Overeem, or Barnett and in fact lost to Werdum so it's hard to extrapolate him being close to unbeatable "when healthy".

    He has wins over 3 guys that were considered great wins at the time, that's more like a Pettis resume than a long term divisional dominator.
     
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  19. At his best the best ever and sadly one of those fighters who tremendously under achieved their true potential.
     
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    The HW list is not imposing imho, Talent wise he is number 1, accomplishments top 5, no way JDS places above him, NO way. And where is Coleman, he did more than half that top ten.
     
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