Ultimately, it doesn't matter much. Cain's probably heading back to surgery and will be out another year at the least. I think it was a glancing blow but Cain was so close that Ngannou had leverage to push him back right after and that's when his knee went. Cain didn't react like someone who was KO'd. You could see/hear him scream out in pain when the knee buckled.
Ngannou hits like a truck but Cain's chinny and injury prone. He should retire.
That’s the right hand that caused Cain’s legs to buckle. Then he landed on the knee wrong. He wasn’t out but it dazed him enough to shut his legs off. Shame Cain hurt his knee in the process. You can see the mis-step as the toes slide into the cage.
I've zero doubt that the punch dropped him. The gif shows it pretty clearly imo. If there was damage done to his knee because of the awkward fall, full credit to Francis. Legitimate fight finishing sequence from Ngannou.I know it's been done to death, but I haven't seen this done yet, so I figured it might add something. I broke the gif that we've all been looking at into frames. It has 216 images total. I've just pulled out some key images. We can always look at more, if people feel like it.
Anyway, here's what I'm seeing:
This is before the punch lands, just to get a frame of reference on Cain's posture, etc:
This is, as far as I can tell, the punch landing (I don't see Cain going limp):
This is Cain reacting to the punch (to me it looks like his head has snapped up, but he still looks alert and like he's still in control of his body, which has still not gone limp):
This is Cain stepping with his left foot, just before the left foot makes contact (to me, it doesn't look like he's out, or like his body is limp):
This is Ngannou coming across Cain's face with the forearm and pushing toward Cain's left foot which is just touching down (to me, that right knee looks to be driving, not collapsing, as some have suggested, but Cain does seem to be landing that left leg rather gingerly even as it just touches down):
This is the moment Cain's left knee buckles (to me he still looks alert, but his body is definitely going loose here, to my eyes as a result of the knee collapsing and Cain reacting by trying to release tension):
This is Cain falling back (to me it looks like his body is just collapsing away from the buckled knee, and he still looks alert to me, with no sign of a KO that I can see, flash or otherwise):
This is Cain's body really beginning to crumble over his knee (again, he looks alert and, to me, looks to be starting to cry out in pain at this moment, and not when he wakes up with his knee twisted under him as some people are suggesting):
Cain either collapsing over the knee or going limp even further, depending on your perspective (to me it still looks like he's alert and his knee is just buckling under him):
And this is the last frame of the gif (unfortunately, because I think there's more to gather from how Cain actually lands and reacts):
Anyway, I know that different people will look at these images and see different things. That's just what I happen to see happening. I figured either way, since it's such a contentious issue, we might as well try to take the closest look possible.
Honestly not looking for a fight. Just open to discuss further and more precisely.
Discuss away.
To me it looks like he goes out from the uppercut.
Anybody who doesnt see the punch taking out Cain should just leave Sherdog and stop making ridiculous injury threads.
Leave the discussion boards for people that know what the fuck they are watching.
It’s kind of a ridiculous request. When is there EVER a single frame that is the definitive proof of a flash knockout? Why would you be able to see it in a particular frame? That’s not the standard of proof.I see the shot land, and the head move, but Cain's body control seems fine until he plants the foot, and I don't see a dead stare in his eyes at any point. I've looked at all 216 frames and I don't see it in a single one. Split the gif yourself and find me the frame I'm missing.
I've zero doubt that the punch dropped him. The gif shows it pretty clearly imo. If there was damage done to his knee because of the awkward fall, full credit to Francis. Legitimate fight finishing sequence from Ngannou.
The images in my OP are taken from the gif. Which one of those images shows the punch dropping him?
See this thread: https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...looks-like-ngannou-caught-cain-flush.3913363/But his legs don't buckle with the right hand. His left leg buckles when he puts his knee down. I posted frames. In which frame, prior to him planting his left foot, do you see the legs buckle?
It’s kind of a ridiculous request. When is there EVER a single frame that is the definitive proof of a flash knockout? Why would you be able to see it in a particular frame? That’s not the standard of proof.
The fact that his left arm goes limp is a pretty good indicator. The fact that his eyes are—presumably—tracking Francis’ cock or not tracking anything at all is another clue.
I know he landed, and I know it snapped Cain's head up. But Cain doesn't buckle until he plants his foot. Not in that gif, either.
Actually, it's generally pretty easy to prove a KO with a single frame:
In fact, if you post a gif of a guy getting KOd, flash or otherwise, I bet you I can split it into frames and show you a single frame proving that it happened.