Cain/JDS showed us... good Kickboxing > great Boxing

uh so how come the cerrone vs diaz fight didnt show this?
 
Schatje said:
There's a much older lesson that The Iceman taught us and still applies. Good takedown defense + overhand right = unconscious wrestlers.

I can do this too :)
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Goes out the window when great TDD becomes zero TDD because you've gassed out. Wrestling threat gets real at that point lol
 
Hideo said:
Chael Sonnen already taught us this lesson, dude.

Wrestling threat = stand up success over superior stand up.
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This. It is hard to defend strikes well when you are worried about the TD
 
Brock2026 said:
It was the pace that neutralized Cigano's punches. For the first two minutes or so JDS looked like he was going to able move away and eventually land a good enough punch to end Cain's night. But then he tired out very quick and couldn't find away around the pressure that Cain was bringing.
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I really thought it was looking like JDS was gonna just outclass Cain then catch him coming in
 
Cains boxing has always been better than JDS'.
Cain is sharper, faster hands, better footwork, and headmovement. His wrestling is better too. the first fight was a fluke
 
Hideo said:
Chael Sonnen already taught us this lesson, dude.

Wrestling threat = stand up success over superior stand up.
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This, it's why Chael was able to outstrike Anderson round after round but didn't have much success with a fighter that didn't fear the takedown in Bisping.
 
This is ridiculous. As if one fight can show us differences between styles. This is an especially ridiculous assumption in a mma fight
 
Jesus Christ what an idiotic thread by this clown.

The Boxing haters on are pathetic.

Boxing and Kickboxing have their Pros and Cons. Throwing kicks puts you at risk of taken down more against wrestlers. That is why JDS was able to be undefeated for so long while showing great takedown defense and still getting wins. Cain didn't worried about that. Any idiot that trains a little MMA would know this.

And what makes this thread so stupid is that JDS started crumbling due to Cain's Boxing after he got caught with that "Marquez" overhand which almost made JDS get "Pacqiuao".

Only virgin geeks and 10 year old boys goes around saying "this style > this style".
 
Not not at all.


He showed us that great wrestling + good boxing > average wrestling + great boxing.

Which, if you follow MMA at all, you already knew.
 
OldBoy91 said:
This, it's why Chael was able to outstrike Anderson round after round but didn't have much success with a fighter that didn't fear the takedown in Bisping.
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Oh you mean the roided out Sonnen who fought a man with a broken rib?

LOL. By your logic, wrestling is the only way to fight. Hey if you go to a bar and someone wants to fight you, just make sure you ask him if you guys can lay on the ground on top of each other because otherwise it would not be a fight.
 
Soul Slasher said:
Oh you mean the roided out Sonnen who fought a man with a broken rib?

LOL. By your logic, wrestling is the only way to fight. Hey if you go to a bar and someone wants to fight you, just make sure you ask him if you guys can lay on the ground on top of each other because otherwise it would not be a fight.
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Serious question, are you stalking me?
 
No, what we learned yesterday was that JDS is not an inside fighter. As soon as Cain clinched and started doing dirty boxing it really threw him off. If Cain were to have stood on the outside with him, he would've been knocked out again. JDS needs to learn how to keep people at range with some jabs instead of throwing hooks and uppercuts all the time.
 
OldBoy91 said:
This, it's why Chael was able to outstrike Anderson round after round but didn't have much success with a fighter that didn't fear the takedown in Bisping.
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about 250 of those 300 strikes came from g-n-p. Not stand-up in that fight. Not really the same strategy that ultimately gave Cain this win.
 
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