Butterfly guard with feet on knees?

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  1. Tony Manifold

    Tony Manifold Brown Belt

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    I know that a traditional butterfly guard has you feet under his thighs with you sitting up and controlling his arms. Like this:
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    I have heard by instructor say he likes to "play butterfly guard" with one foot on the hip and the other on the knee. Is this still butterfly guard or something else? Or is it one of those in between positions that doesn't have its own name yet?

    It kind of looks like this position but a much tighter grip on the upper body.
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    Thanks guys.
     
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    Well, to be honest, although most people call the feet under thighs "butterfly guard," I think it is best referred to as "sitting (up) guard."

    I believe the real Butterfly guard is the feet on hips.

    I suppose as long as you know what you are referring to, you can call it anything you want.

    I could be wrong, but that is how it was explained to me in person.
     
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    Zankou Muscle and Hate Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It doesn't really matter what you call it, but I wouldn't call that butterfly guard. Butterfly guard has the hooks in, making the butterfly shape. Some people also call the spider guard variant where you have knees on the biceps (aka "you can't stop the triangle") butterfly guard, but I think it's better referred to as a type of spider guard.

    I would just call that standard open guard.
     
  4. Tony Manifold

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    I used to call it just plain open guard but then again I only had two categories open and closed. I was just hoping that it had a fairly standard name that I could use in reference to it. When I say butterfly, people picture sitting up with hook under the thighs. When I say spider, people picture sleeve control and knees on biceps. I guess I will just continue with what I have been calling it, Feet on hips guard. Eventually someone will name it. BJJ guys love to name things.
     
  5. Kuark

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    I started playing this when I am having a hard time controlling my opponent. The reason i would call it a butterfly guard variant instead of open guard is because of the control you are looking for. You are still sitting in the same position and you should have the same over under, under under, or neck arm grip as in butterfly. When you play it, you feel as if you are in butterfly still.
     
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    Triangle fricking heaven.
     
  7. ThinkGreen

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    Marcelo Garcia still refers to this as butterfly guard, he puts his foot on the thigh in a lot of his butterfly sweeps in his book.
     
  8. bjjdude001

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    I know its as hooking guard because you use your feet as hooks

    Buterfly guard is when you have your feet on his hips and you can all so bring your knees into the inside of their arms as you hold both wrists and spread your knees so they put presure on thier elbows.( like spider guard or foot in biceipt )
    but using your knees

    Ive all so noticed so many names for the same shit!!!!!
     
  9. Zankou

    Zankou Muscle and Hate Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yeah, but he's also got the other foot in as a hook (as opposed to on the hip). He sweeps with one hook, and the other foot kicking the thigh out, which is a very common butterfly sweep.
     
  10. txfighter13

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    Butterfly guard is when you actually have the hooks in. The second image that you showed is called the sit guard. It doesn't matter where the feet are. If you don't have the hooks in its not considered butterfly guard.
     
  11. Tony Manifold

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    Sit guard, perfect. thanks.
     

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