Butterfly Guard Pass Prevention?

I have been shown 2 butterfly guard passes recently which are ridiculously easy to do, that my butterfly guard is now useless, i need to know how to defend these two passes as well as any other common ones.

1st Pass:

Step up with one foot and turn your hips so your knee pushes their legs to the side and take side control (i am sure there are a bunch more details, but it just works so easy)​

2nd Pass:

Reach under 1 hook and grab the other pant leg, reach over the shoulder and grab the gi, post up on one leg and pull the pant leg one way and the gi the other to spin them to side control​

 

i came here to tell you how to pass it. i didn't read the thread title well. sorry

 

there are probably some good specific counters but i would think that good grip fighting and hip movement would prevent those types of passes. In butterfly guard you have to be aggressive you cant just wait till you opponent takes control like that.

 

I always let those same passes happen, too. But as these guys have said, I think you have to be very proactive in this guard.

Personally, I am only able to use it for brief moments as a transition between other guards or to hook sweep, but I never hang out in that kind of guard for too long (because they pass).

 

thanks zankou, i was hoping you would post... i am sure you have given this advice a hundred times before, but unless you are working on that specific problem, you sort of gloss over the details. So I should not be siting their with my shin in contact with his chest, i should have my arms forward getting whatever grips i want first and then scoot in and bam sweep, instead of hanging out in close contact getting my grips when i am in a vulnerable position?

 

if they grab your leg like that either break grip or abort immediately

 

I agree with this a lot. I'm trying to build up my butterfly guard (slowly, this is the year of the half guard for me) and one thing I notice is that when it's not working, I usually bail into either half or quarter guard (Gustavo Machado's not Eddie Bravo's). It's kept me away from that "flop" tendency you mention.

Zankou, would you also say that butterfly guard isn't a guard you can really "hang out in" like closed guard? Sometimes I find myself treating butterfly guard like it's closed guard and not staying active with my hooks (Kesting's "spring-loaded legs", for example).

 

^ thanks for that nugget Zankou.

I have been trying to figure out the "sitting guard" as I call it. (even though everyone else seems to call it butterfly for some reason)


butterfly guard is what bma_mat invented (spider guard with knees on biceps). double sleeve control with feet on hips knees in biceps = butterfly guard! spider guard is its own beast.

 

When I play butterfly guard I try to get underhooks asap. I find that when I get underhooks I can usually get close enough and get under the guy enough to smother his pass attempts unless he stands then its armdrag or jump to my knees/feet.

 

i have just watched robson moura's butterfly guard instructional and one point he is very clear about is gripping the pants... I haven't been shown this before but it is genius, it stops a lot of the passes i was worried about... i am gonna practice this tonight.