Law Bump Stock Ban About to be Introduced

Lord Coke

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Trump is acting like Obama with this new rule. He has no authority to do this. The new rule is coming it might get announced today or Monday. It would be one thing for the Congress to pass a new law but the ATF is about to redefine current law to include machineguns.

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-but-gun-reform-groups-arent-celebrating-yet/


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives will soon ban bump stocks, appliances that enable semi-automatic weapons to behave like machine guns, according to late breaking news last night from CNN. Gun reform activists are cautiously celebrating the long-awaited change as a victory against the device that was used in the deadliest mass shooting in US history at a music festival in Las Vegas in 2017. But they worry the ban may be subject to legal challenges that delay its implementation and are cautious in giving it too much importance within the broader priorities of their movement.

The ban on the devices has been a long time coming but gained greater momentum after the Las Vegan shooting, when the gunman added bump stocks to the weapons that killed 58 people. After the February school shooting in Parkland, Florida—a massacre that did not involve bump stocks—President Trump directed the Justice Department to propose a rule to ban the devices. At the end of March, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that ATF would make a rule change to expand the definition of “machine gun”—banned since 1986 under the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act—to include bump stocks.

tens of thousands of notes in favor of the ban. A swifter and more straightforward solution would have been legislative action, something ATF acting director Thomas E. Brandon said himself during a hearing on the subject earlier this year. Lawmakers of both parties introduced bills in the House and Senate to ban not only bump stocks but any device that increased a semi-automatic weapon’s rate of fire—a rare showing of bipartisanship on a typically polarizing subject. But Republican congressional leadership wouldn’t bring the bills up for a vote.

Gun violence prevention activists are pleased that the long-awaited rule change will soon occur but see shortcomings in the regulatory route. Lindsay Nichols, the federal policy director at Giffords, tells Mother Jones that she would have preferred to see a broader category of devices that increase firing speed, like Hell-fire triggers, which allows shooters to pull triggers faster, included in the ban. This is another difference between the new DOJ rule and some of the proposals put forth in Congress.

Nichols also worries about the legal challenges that could stymie the implementation of the rule. While gun control laws passed by state or federal legislatures often face constitutional challenges, regulatory changes are often vulnerable to procedural complaints, such as whether the federal agency faithfully adhered to the rulemaking process, or whether Congress has vested that agency with the authority to make the change. The Firearm Owners’ Protection Act of 1986 constrained the authority of ATF, requiring it to regulate only with Congressional approval. “It’s had a chilling effect on ATF, so their changes have had to be very narrow,” Nichols explains.

Should a suit arise, though, it likely won’t come from the gun violence prevention movement’s usual foe. The National Rifle Association actually endorsed restrictions on the devices following the Las Vegas massacre—though its leaders wanted any changes to filter through ATF, not Congress. Chipman said that opposition to the regulatory shift may still come from Gun Owners of America, which has opposed the bump stock ban, or manufacturers of these devices.

Of greater concern to gun reform advocates, however, is the fact that a bump stock ban only addresses a relatively small corner of the policy landscape these activists would like to see change. After all, most mass shooters do not use bump stocks. In the next session of Congress, national gun reform organizations have said they’ll remain focused on expanding background checks and implementing red flag laws—measures that are much more likely to pass the Democratically-controlled House than the GOP-held Senate.
 
Good.

I'm very Pro-2nd-Amendment and very happy with the Full-Auto restriction.

Years ago I saw a video of a bump-stock making an otherwise semi-auto AK47 into a effectively fully-auto AK47, and I thought -

"How The Hell Is That Legal?"
 
I agree with @Lord Coke 's take. Bump stocks are shitty gimmicks and I don't care if they're made illegal or left to be as they are

But I don't like the precident of just changing a law without any legislation passed
 
That is not really the point. We don't live in a country with a King. Laws need to be passed through the house first

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As long as they stay away from binary triggers.
Banning bump stocks is silly. It's a silly as allowing "braces" in the exact shape of stocks for SBRs and saying you can't shoulder them. Bump fire is a technique, not a technology.
 
Good.

I'm very Pro-2nd-Amendment and very happy with the Full-Auto restriction.

Years ago I saw a video of a bump-stock making an otherwise semi-auto AK47 into a effectively fully-auto AK47, and I thought -

"How The Hell Is That Legal?"

If you are happy with the Hughes Amendment you are not pro Second Amendment
 
I haven't read it.

Does it go beyond banning bumpstocks?

The 1986 Hughes Amendment is what banned machine guns. That law is what is going to be reinterpreted to ban bump stocks we don't know how broad that reinterpretation which is called a "rule" because it has not been released yet.
 
Bump stocks are stupid. There's no need for anyone to have them.

Who cares? This is America, where professional athletes make millions and I can buy lunch at the Heart Attack Grill. I can buy a Ferrari that can go 200 miles per hour; that's stupid and I don't need it.

That doesn't even touch on the fact that owning things in this particular class is a Constitutionally protected human right.
 


Better cut off all gun owners fingers.
 
I've got no problem with a ban on bump stocks but go through Congress to get it.

If you support this then you might as well shut your mouth on anything Trump just signs with regard to immigration .

Immigration is not a right where as the 2nd is.
 
You can have my bumpstock when you pry it from my cold dead hip...
 
Bump stocks are stupid, but shouldn't be banned. And even if they were banned, it should be by Congress and not president shit.
 
It's a silly as allowing "braces" in the exact shape of stocks for SBRs and saying you can't shoulder them.

Is that still the case? I thought they'd stopped saying that.
 
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