now i can take a punch or whatever but there're some people where i train that can last a LOT longer in arm bars, leg locks, and other subs ... example: we were practicing an arm lock the other day and the same person did it on a few diff people the same way and one of them just wouldn't tap while the others couldn't hold for more then a couple seconds so question is ... is this basically natural or if not what are some ways to build up your pain tolerance for striking, bjj or whatever else?
some people are very flexible, double jointed, etc. I think you should concentrate on not getting subbed in the first place rather than how long you can last while being submitted. Personally I think it's pretty stupid to not tap in training.
"Personally I think it's pretty stupid to not tap in training." Exactly, you're there to train and not to hurt each other. If you hurt yourself or your partners, what do you have. Awhile back someone started a thread that said they never tapped once in training. Bullshit. I've been training for a long time and never have I seen one session where everyone didn't tap, except maybe my coach because he never got caught in anything. As far as your question though, I think it's almost entirely mental, especially for striking. Getting hit seems like it would hurt worse than it actually does. You just have to train your body to have the fireman mentality - go in when your instinct is to go out.
Learn to twist your arm to different angles to buy yourself some time. If that made any sense. I also believe in letting guys at a lower skill level than you catch you in subs, then try and work your way out.
i think it might have to do with the more experienced grapplers just knowing their limits with the submissions,with just comes by practicing a lot
That's complete bullshit, red heads have more of a temper though, but that's probably only because they get teased about having red hair their whole lives.
There is this martial art created by some old white guy that allows you to be able to take any type of physical abuse. I forget its name, but you should find him and get him to train you. It was rated as the 7th deadliest martial art in the world, even though it is completely useless since it has no offence whatsoever. TV shows by idiots who know nothing about martial arts are Teh Suck.
I often try to fight my way out of chokes and I think my tolerance has gone up a lot since I started. I tap like a Riverdancer to joint locks though.
yup....its got nothin to do with pain tolerance...its all about flexibility and position. Im a pretty wormy grappler, and I know all those little tricks to squirm out of a sub.
I think the ability to withstand pain is one you are born with. One guy I sparred with recently had enormous pain barrier! We did first 5min round grappling only, then second 5min round strking only. Kimuras, Americanas, any upper body subs are impossible on this guy. I finished him twice in the first round with ankle locks (my speciality sub), then he gave up during the striking round. An upper cut to the solar plexus ended his shit. He was a dirty fighter though. He pushing his foot in my crotch, pinching digging nails in and all sorts. I had some severe bruisining for a week! On the other hand, when I ran into him and his friend recently, he couldn't lift his eyes from looking at the floor! pussyclat!
thats not pain tolerance but i know what you are talking about i can def withstand a choke way longer now then when i first started because in the beginning people usually panic when they get caught in stuff joint locks is where the pain tolerance really comes in though i just don't get how some people can hold off in an achiles or other "pain" moves so much longer then me
I really dont see where yall are getting this pain tolerance crap from....I dont tap when someone has me in an armbar because it hurts so much....I tap because I dont want my shit snapped!....its fear of injury, not pain.
My thoughts exactly. It is much more an issue about flexibility than abut pain at all. Most sorts of pain don't bother me much but I have bad joints and if I don't tap soon enough, they will break and I will have a bad 2 or 3 months (maybe longer) ahead of me. I have a very high tolerance of pain but that has absolutely nothing to do with joint locks (other than I will have severe joint pain for the next few months as well as not be able to move it or train with it because it is torn to shreds). You can increase your flexibility in most movements, that is certainly possible (not all cases, but many). For chokes, I don't see that as a pain issue either. Unless your trachea is being crushed, it usually doesn't hurt, or if it does then we have a diferent conception of what pain is. THe more you practice with them, get more comfortable with them, and strengthen your kneck, you can last longer. Yes, strengthen your neck. I have rolled with some huge necked wrestlers who are more dificult to choke (certainly not impossible) than a normal necked person. I don't know anything about striking though, maybe your pain conditioning would help there, I have no idea.
TTT for slippery grapplers. I love frustrating the hell out of power grapplers. Pain tolerance isn't realy going to help. In the long term at least. Sure, you'll resist one sub, but then you'll have to take weeks off to let your hypextended elbow heal.
