Buakaw vs Sittichai

Sittichai. Too slick and I think being a southpaw would be an important factor. Most people who pick Buakaw will mostly do it due to Buakaw's more aggressive and entertaining style during his K1 days but people need to learn to separate entertainment and effectiveness.
 
Buakaw.More suited to the rules and fluid combinations,even Sitthichai being a Thai southpaw it wouldnt prejudiced him in a fight too much under KB rules,Buakaw could do more points and impose the pace better,in a FTR the story would be different
 
Buakaw, a prime ftr Buakao over sittichai under that ruleset also
 
Mafanofe said:
a little bit less probable win over Sitthichai under FTR,but a sure win under FTR IMO
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if your talking when Buakaw was in his prime under that ruleset, before he switched to K-1, then he was clearly above Sittichai before he made the same switch to bulking up and fighting more kickboxing
 
In FTR probably Buakaw by scoring with knees and elbows.

In KB not sure. Buakaw has not been very dominant against southpaws from what i have seen
 
anorak said:
if your talking when Buakaw was in his prime under that ruleset, before he switched to K-1, then he was clearly above Sittichai before he made the same switch to bulking up and fighting more kickboxing
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Explain how he was above Sittichai? Around that time 70kg in K1 had just started getting big and most fighters Buakaw faced didn't really understand real MuayThai like the kickboxers of today and that's why he used to rag-doll fighters in the clinch whilst they looked lost. Buakaw might of looked better but I truly believe the best fighters Buakaw had faced in K1 are not as good as some of the best fighters Sittichai has faced.

People tend to have this love for the past so people may disagree with me but I think the 70kg division in kickboxing today is levels ahead compared to Buakaw's day.
 
Kanka said:
In FTR probably Buakaw by scoring with knees and elbows.
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Disagree. Buakaw in his prime hadn't faced any Thai's in MuayThai. What makes you think he would beat Sittichai. Its funny people are quick to say Yodsanklai would beat Buakaw but yet when we bring up Sittichai its a different story. Do people really think Sittichai is not on that Buakaw/Yodsanklai level?
 
JayMuaythai said:
Explain how he was above Sittichai? Around that time 70kg in K1 had just started getting big and most fighters Buakaw faced didn't really understand real MuayThai like the kickboxers of today and that's why he used to rag-doll fighters in the clinch whilst they looked lost. Buakaw might of looked better but I truly believe the best fighters Buakaw had faced in K1 are not as good as some of the best fighters Sittichai has faced.

People tend to have this love for the past so people may disagree with me but I think the 70kg division in kickboxing today is levels ahead compared to Buakaw's day.
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re read what I said, I was talking about Buakaw in his prime time under Muaythai rules, when he was beating the likes of Mankong, Thongthai Por Burapha, even before then he has ko win over Sakadpet who went onto win Ratchadamnern, Lumpini belts. If your talking when they were purely stadium fighters before either switch to kickboxing and at their best then, Buakaws level was clearly higher.

I've seen both in the stadiums at their primes under those rules and Buakaw was clearly the better fighter, nothing to do with having a love for the past and not being blinded by love for either fighter either :p
 
Good K1 fighter Buakaw has beaten:

John Wayne Parr (x2) both wins
Masato (x2) 1 loss 1 win
Albert Kraus (x3) 2 loss 1 win
Andy Souwer (x3) 2 loss 1 win
Mike Zambidis
Yoshihiro Sato (x2) 1 loss 1 win
Gago Drago
Dzhabar Askerov
Nieky Holzken

Good K1 fighters Sittichai has beaten:

Marat Grigorian (x2) both wins
Superbon
Davit Kiria (x2) both wins
Enriko Gogokhia (x2) 1 win 1 loss
Dylan Salvador (x2) 1 win 1 loss
Murthel Groenhart
Out of prime Andy Souwer
Robin Van Roosmalen (I refuse to call that fight a loss)
Mohammad Khamal
Josh Jauncey
Chingiz Allazov
Abdallah Mabel

Just mentioned the names I know. Add on any I forgot.
 
anorak said:
re read what I said, I was talking about Buakaw in his prime time under Muaythai rules, when he was beating the likes of Mankong, Thongthai Por Burapha, even before then he has ko win over Sakadpet who went onto win Ratchadamnern, Lumpini belts. If your talking when they were purely stadium fighters before either switch to kickboxing and at their best then, Buakaws level was clearly higher.

I've seen both in the stadiums at their primes under those rules and Buakaw was clearly the better fighter, nothing to do with having a love for the past and not being blinded by love for either fighter either :p
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Oh my bad. But still I cant see Buakaw in his prime MuayThai days beaten Sittichai now. I think its unfair to compare them both before they started kickboxing. Buakaw moved to Por Pramuk at 14 training beside the likes of Chok Dee, Namsaknoi, Ponsawan, Kompayak and nonthanon. Sittichai moved to Sitsongpeenong at 18/19 when the gym just opened and before that had been training in a village with his dad and hadn't done much in the MuayThai world so those first few years at Sitsongpeenong where Sittichai was fighting in the stadiums were not his prime years in my opinion. I think the Sittichai we see today is prime Sittichai.
 
JayMuaythai said:
Oh my bad. But still I cant see Buakaw in his prime MuayThai days beaten Sittichai now. I think its unfair to compare them both before they started kickboxing. Buakaw moved to Por Pramuk at 14 training beside the likes of Chok Dee, Namsaknoi, Ponsawan, Kompayak and nonthanon. Sittichai moved to Sitsongpeenong at 18/19 when the gym just opened and before that had been training in a village with his dad and hadn't done much in the MuayThai world so those first few years at Sitsongpeenong where Sittichai was fighting in the stadiums were not his prime years in my opinion. I think the Sittichai we see today is prime Sittichai.
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Well of course a buakaw at around 55 to 63 kg isn't gonna beat a 70 kg Sittichai in muay thai. Around 60 kgs i think buakaw was way better.
 
I got prime Buakaw in both rule sets. I don't agree that his competition was a lower level than what Sittichai is facing today. If anything 70kg was more competitive back then.
 
JayMuaythai said:
Explain how he was above Sittichai? Around that time 70kg in K1 had just started getting big and most fighters Buakaw faced didn't really understand real MuayThai like the kickboxers of today and that's why he used to rag-doll fighters in the clinch whilst they looked lost. Buakaw might of looked better but I truly believe the best fighters Buakaw had faced in K1 are not as good as some of the best fighters Sittichai has faced.

People tend to have this love for the past so people may disagree with me but I think the 70kg division in kickboxing today is levels ahead compared to Buakaw's day.
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i totally disagree with you about Sitthichai faced better opponents on kickboxing rules....

Sitthichai best wins on KB are Allazov(top 7),a two years retired Mo Khamal,an old slow and out of prime Souwer,a Prime Kiria and a Kiria in a bad streak,young prospect Jauncey,top 15 Risco,Grigorian(one of the best today) twice,Superbon(could be a legit top 10 taking better opponents),Murthel(with a big victory by KO over a inconsistent opponent,but a very good win) good prospect Mohammed Mezouari,and the top 3 nowdays RVR(i am including him because Sitthichai clearly won that fight,dont giving a shit about the result,only about performance over his best opponents)

While Buakaw best wins on kickboxing ...

2004:

John Wayne Parr(a very legit top 10 kickboxer at the time,who could beat a half of the top 10 LW kickboxers today if he fought them in his prime.)

Prime Kohiruimaki(too stylistic for today´s kickboxing,he could have a lot of problems if he would be competing in his prime against nowdays,but a good win,he had defeated some good names)

Walking to prime Masato:Masato was not at his prime in 2004,but near of it(i consider his prime 2006-2008),but a very highly legit win,a prime masato was one of the 5 best LW kickboxers of the recent history for sure(since 2000s,and Buakaw Humiliated him on this one)).

2005:

Prime Albert Kraus:One of top 15 best LW kickboxers since 2000(Buakaw defeated him dominantly in this fight),a legit top 5 at the time and i bet he could defeat 50% of today´s top 15 in his prime

2006:

Prime Zambidis(one of the top 15 best LW kickboxers since 2000 too,i consider his prime(2002-2007)).

Prime Kalakoda(medium-good caliber victory,Kalakoda delivered some good opposition against better guys)

Prime Sato(he knocked out a legit top 20-25 best LW kickboxers since 2000,an prime Sato(especially a 2007-2008 Sato) could defeat like 70% of todays top 15)

Prime Gago Drago(a medium-good opponent caliber,he defeated some good guys and fought against the elite)

Prime Andy Souwer(One of the top 5 LW kickboxers since 2000,massive victory by knockout)

2007:

Askerov(medium Victory)

Prime Giorgio Petrosyan(A draw and in "FTR"rules(without elbows),but they scored the fight like a KB match in my eyes,because if it was FTR scoring Buakaw should won(in KB a closer but Buakaw should have won in my score too TBH)...It have to be count because Petro is the best LW kickboxer ever,and a fight like that against him is a very very huge statement.I think Petro was in his prime at 2007,he just changed his fight style to be less aggressive and more defensive since he entered his first k-1 max tournament in 2009,and it changed again since he lost to Ristie,he became more agressive like in the past too)


Walking to Prime Holzken(his prime for me was 2008-2010,he had some very good opponents like Buakaw and Souwer in 2007,but he was more matured as a fighter in 2008 to 2010 and had his best performance over good opponents in this period)

2008:

Sato at his peak(2008 was the peak of Sato as a kickboxer,he knocked out Buakaw in their third fight and gave a very hard,made a prime Murat Direçki look like a fool and gave a Peak Masato a very very hard fight,but on this fight,the second of the four fights they had each other,Buakaw took a decision and made the chicker dance by a fully charged counter left Hook showing how dangerous Sato was on this year and on his peak,i think a peak Sato could Beat Everyne of the top 10 but not Petro,for sure he could KO RVR and Grigorian and Maybe Sitthichai and Yod,the guy was so fucking scary at his peak,a prime Sato was a fucking Cyborg)

Prime Kraus (he made it again on k-1 final 16,and i got robbed against him in its showtime event later this year)

2009:

Prime Holzken(good victory)

Andy Souwer(Buakaw lost this fight with a very controversyal decision.Souwer only won the bullshit extra round,Buakaw should took the fight by UD without a doubt

I am not being Nostalgic,but Buakaw defeated overall much better fighters than Sitthichai by miles of advantage and credit,Sitthichai is on his prime now and he is taking very good victories every 3,4 months,so he can have a much better kickboxing record(witch already the best LW record today,without counting Petrosyan who had his best wins like 3 yrs ago)
 
My vote goes to Sittichai. Sittichai has higher ring IQ and is more versatile than Buakaw. Also like how disciplined sittichai is , the man follows a game plan to a T.
 
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I would think Buakaw he's physically superior and still with very good technique along with the aggressiveness you need to beat Sittichai. The onoly think that speaks against him is that his best weapon was his lead leg which won't be as effective vs a southpaw
 
Mafanofe said:
i totally disagree with you about Sitthichai faced better opponents on kickboxing rules....

Sitthichai best wins on KB are Allazov(top 7),a two years retired Mo Khamal,an old slow and out of prime Souwer,a Prime Kiria and a Kiria in a bad streak,young prospect Jauncey,top 15 Risco,Grigorian(one of the best today) twice,Superbon(could be a legit top 10 taking better opponents),Murthel(with a big victory by KO over a inconsistent opponent,but a very good win) good prospect Mohammed Mezouari,and the top 3 nowdays RVR(i am including him because Sitthichai clearly won that fight,dont giving a shit about the result,only about performance over his best opponents)

While Buakaw best wins on kickboxing ...

2004:

John Wayne Parr(a very legit top 10 kickboxer at the time,who could beat a half of the top 10 LW kickboxers today if he fought them in his prime.)

Prime Kohiruimaki(too stylistic for today´s kickboxing,he could have a lot of problems if he would be competing in his prime against nowdays,but a good win,he had defeated some good names)

Walking to prime Masato:Masato was not at his prime in 2004,but near of it(i consider his prime 2006-2008),but a very highly legit win,a prime masato was one of the 5 best LW kickboxers of the recent history for sure(since 2000s,and Buakaw Humiliated him on this one)).

2005:

Prime Albert Kraus:One of top 15 best LW kickboxers since 2000(Buakaw defeated him dominantly in this fight),a legit top 5 at the time and i bet he could defeat 50% of today´s top 15 in his prime

2006:

Prime Zambidis(one of the top 15 best LW kickboxers since 2000 too,i consider his prime(2002-2007)).

Prime Kalakoda(medium-good caliber victory,Kalakoda delivered some good opposition against better guys)

Prime Sato(he knocked out a legit top 20-25 best LW kickboxers since 2000,an prime Sato(especially a 2007-2008 Sato) could defeat like 70% of todays top 15)

Prime Gago Drago(a medium-good opponent caliber,he defeated some good guys and fought against the elite)

Prime Andy Souwer(One of the top 5 LW kickboxers since 2000,massive victory by knockout)

2007:

Askerov(medium Victory)

Prime Giorgio Petrosyan(A draw and in "FTR"rules(without elbows),but they scored the fight like a KB match in my eyes,because if it was FTR scoring Buakaw should won(in KB a closer but Buakaw should have won in my score too TBH)...It have to be count because Petro is the best LW kickboxer ever,and a fight like that against him is a very very huge statement.I think Petro was in his prime at 2007,he just changed his fight style to be less aggressive and more defensive since he entered his first k-1 max tournament in 2009,and it changed again since he lost to Ristie,he became more agressive like in the past too)


Walking to Prime Holzken(his prime for me was 2008-2010,he had some very good opponents like Buakaw and Souwer in 2007,but he was more matured as a fighter in 2008 to 2010 and had his best performance over good opponents in this period)

2008:

Sato at his peak(2008 was the peak of Sato as a kickboxer,he knocked out Buakaw in their third fight and gave a very hard,made a prime Murat Direçki look like a fool and gave a Peak Masato a very very hard fight,but on this fight,the second of the four fights they had each other,Buakaw took a decision and made the chicker dance by a fully charged counter left Hook showing how dangerous Sato was on this year and on his peak,i think a peak Sato could Beat Everyne of the top 10 but not Petro,for sure he could KO RVR and Grigorian and Maybe Sitthichai and Yod,the guy was so fucking scary at his peak,a prime Sato was a fucking Cyborg)

Prime Kraus (he made it again on k-1 final 16,and i got robbed against him in its showtime event later this year)

2009:

Prime Holzken(good victory)

Andy Souwer(Buakaw lost this fight with a very controversyal decision.Souwer only won the bullshit extra round,Buakaw should took the fight by UD without a doubt

I am not being Nostalgic,but Buakaw defeated overall much better fighters than Sitthichai by miles of advantage and credit,Sitthichai is on his prime now and he is taking very good victories every 3,4 months,so he can have a much better kickboxing record(witch already the best LW record today,without counting Petrosyan who had his best wins like 3 yrs ago)
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Still not convinced. To me fighters like Grigorian, Superbon, RVR and Enriko Gogokhia (who you forgot to mention) are better kickboxers then most of the guys Buakaw had fought in K1. I think the sport has evolved and kickboxers of today are more educated on various styles especially when it comes to understanding muaythai fighters. Back in Buakaws day the 70kg division only just started getting popular. Before that the heavyweights ruled K1. Now days in my opinion the 70kg division is miles above every other weight class.

Humans get better and evolve with time if the competition stays strong. Its kinda like comparing UFC fighters 10 years ago to the UFC fighters today. Its only when you have situations like the muaythai stadiums today where competition has gone down and less fighters are competing that the fighters wont be as good as they were in the past.
 
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