Hey, it's that guy.
Bruce Lee. Nostradamus of MMA. (long read)
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Hey, it's that guy.
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lol, was thinking the same thing after i saw the post
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He beat the shit out of some badass the chinese martial arts community threw at him.. Wolf Man Jack or some weird name... lol
He also beat the shit out of some extra that was some chinese gangster talking tough
btw these fights had no refs and no rules
someone could have died. I dont think you have a proper perspective on things.Like all these UFC fighters are these badasses yet none of them have put their life on the line except for a few guys like Tim Kennedy... if we go by your logic all MMA fighters are pussies because they fight with rules where putting your hand on the ground stps people from kicking your head.
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C'mon bro. This is Sherdog. Anything with a comma, ppl will bitch for cliff notes.
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ppl bitch a lot here
From almost everyone that trained or acted with the man they say everything we saw on camera was a pale shadow of what he was really capable of. Few action stars have been made to "slow down" movements because they moved to fast for the camera and Lee was one of the first. Lee never fought for money but he was challenged multiple times to stop teaching interracially by specialists. However, I see that more than likely your a martial arts master right? You live the life of a fighter? To bash Bruce Lee who dedicated his life to bringing martial arts to the main stream. If it wasn't for Bruce Lee, there's a legit argument of what MMA would be today.
Please, it's quite common and it's for the audience's sake, not the cameras. I have friends who've done stunt work and have had to slow it down and exaggerate the movements to make it look good for the camera.
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Silly thread, Bruce basically had the first idea of mma in Jeet Kune Do, but this is common knowledge at this point.
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And Krishnamurti as well.
Pankration, Theodore Roosevelt and so many others conceptualized MMA prior to Lee
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Had a little bit of a revelation while watching the Bruce Lee UFC MMA gameplay video. (awesome, btw) While I'm a fan of all of his films, i do believe that Game of Death was his personal movie/mission of explaining his art of Jeet Kun Do, translated "way of the intercepting fist."
Now think about what that means as it applies to martial arts. The ability to intercept, to interfere, to "fail" someone's attack with an attack of your own, or to be able to know your enemies movements to the point of pattern and strike accordingly. It's to be completely unpredictable and adaptable. Formless and shapeless, like water. (had to do it
The pagoda in the movie represents 5 different fighting styles, each with strengths and weaknesses. Some weaknesses are more visible then others, but every level involves Bruce Lee adapting to his enemies style to win. When he gets to the top floor, he encounters Kareem who represents a style of fighting that Bruce Lee always preached as the ultimate style of fighting, which is having no style at all. For Kareems height he should not be as fast as he is, but he is. His lankiness and reach also make him difficult to deal with, and his kicks remind me of fighting Dhalsim. He fights in a way that you could never expect based on his appearance.
So, during this video tribute to Lee I noticed current champions commenting on his greatness, including Jon Jones. Now I'm no Jones fan but I couldn't help but come to a certain conclusion about 2 things.
1. Bruce Lee predicted what would become the greatest fighter, represented by Kareem's "no style" of fighting.
2. That fighter is Jon Jones.
Jones is an enigma of a fighter with no "apparent" weakness. He fights like he's 7 feet tall, and moves jaguar fast. On top of that, Jones is one of few fighters who is never predictable, always a step ahead. His physicality represents the perfect hybrid of physical gifts and abilities as well as high level fighting ability and training. This is what Bruce Lee believed was the true ultimate fighter. Someone who always adapts, always changes, and always learns how to defeat his opponent. Now if the Bruce/Kareem fight in that movie was real, and Kareem wasn't blind, he would have killed Bruce Lee.
Just some of my personal thoughts. Others may feel different or nothing about it either way, but after a few glasses of wine the thought just formed.
Thanks for reading :icon_chee
Anderson Silva.
Front kick KO against Vitor Belfort. Come on. That's ridiculous.
He lost himself mentally. He let ego get the best of him, and that was Anderson's downfall.
Jones is great, but he didn't destroy the way Anderson did. Not yet at least, but he's still young.
At the end of the day Bruce Lee was an actor! He didn't have one proper fight against anyone, apart from some friend who said he did this or that. With that criteria then Steven Segal is the GOAT.
So Bruce Lee basically reiterated what the ancient greeks knew over 2000 years ago? That a mixed martial artist is the best fighter in the world (pankratis).
Bruce Lee never fought (love his movies though) and articulated an idea that was realised by pankration over 2000 years ago??? End of thread. Goodnight.
So Bruce Lee basically reiterated what the ancient greeks knew over 2000 years ago? That a mixed martial artist is the best fighter in the world (pankratis).
Bruce Lee never fought (love his movies though) and articulated an idea that was realised by pankration over 2000 years ago??? End of thread. Goodnight.
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No one who hasn't fought larger opponents should ever, under any circumstance, be considered GOAT. Jones almost lost the first time he fought someone with similar reach..
If Jones dominates HW then I might agree with you.
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Had a little bit of a revelation while watching the Bruce Lee UFC MMA gameplay video. (awesome, btw) While I'm a fan of all of his films, i do believe that Game of Death was his personal movie/mission of explaining his art of Jeet Kun Do, translated "way of the intercepting fist."
Now think about what that means as it applies to martial arts. The ability to intercept, to interfere, to "fail" someone's attack with an attack of your own, or to be able to know your enemies movements to the point of pattern and strike accordingly. It's to be completely unpredictable and adaptable. Formless and shapeless, like water. (had to do it
The pagoda in the movie represents 5 different fighting styles, each with strengths and weaknesses. Some weaknesses are more visible then others, but every level involves Bruce Lee adapting to his enemies style to win. When he gets to the top floor, he encounters Kareem who represents a style of fighting that Bruce Lee always preached as the ultimate style of fighting, which is having no style at all. For Kareems height he should not be as fast as he is, but he is. His lankiness and reach also make him difficult to deal with, and his kicks remind me of fighting Dhalsim. He fights in a way that you could never expect based on his appearance.
So, during this video tribute to Lee I noticed current champions commenting on his greatness, including Jon Jones. Now I'm no Jones fan but I couldn't help but come to a certain conclusion about 2 things.
1. Bruce Lee predicted what would become the greatest fighter, represented by Kareem's "no style" of fighting.
2. That fighter is Jon Jones.
Jones is an enigma of a fighter with no "apparent" weakness. He fights like he's 7 feet tall, and moves jaguar fast. On top of that, Jones is one of few fighters who is never predictable, always a step ahead. His physicality represents the perfect hybrid of physical gifts and abilities as well as high level fighting ability and training. This is what Bruce Lee believed was the true ultimate fighter. Someone who always adapts, always changes, and always learns how to defeat his opponent. Now if the Bruce/Kareem fight in that movie was real, and Kareem wasn't blind, he would have killed Bruce Lee.
Just some of my personal thoughts. Others may feel different or nothing about it either way, but after a few glasses of wine the thought just formed.
Thanks for reading :icon_chee
Great post, long ass read, so allow me to share with u my 2 cents, which is also a long ass read...
IMO, what you refer to as this 'ultimate fighter' having 'no style' of fighting in Kareem is simply the rules of nature, whereby the bigger man has a distinct advantage over the smaller man, due to his physical gifts in size, reach, strength, length, etc, therefore not needing martial arts per se to deal with the much smaller man.
In a way, this takes being an experienced martial artist out of contingency, as the bigger man, who may or may not be an experienced martial artist, already has all these distinct advantages over the smaller man, therefore making the martial arts skills of the smaller man almost obsolete.
However, due to Bruce Lee's applicable concept of being an adaptable martial artist, his mind alone becomes the most dangerous factor in the fight, using what skills you already know & applying them towards the much larger opponent in an unpredictable way to win, that's what I see as being the 'ultimate' martial artist.
That's what I've always taken/interpreted from Bruce's/Kareem's scene in Game of Death anyway.
Even BJ Penn has always fought with that mentality, saying something like "Martial Arts to me has always been about the smaller man fighting the bigger man" or something along those lines.
I do agree with your comparison to Kareem/Jon Jones, due to him being one of the biggest in his div & possessing the physical gifts over most of his opponents, as well as being an experienced/highly skilled martial artist with both the "no style" & "unpredictable/adaptable" way of fighting.
Having mentioned this, I would rather like to see Jones in Bruce's position against Kareem & not the other way around like he has with most of his opponents, in order to truly test the concept of Jeet Kun Do (which Jones is a practitioner btw) whereby all of Jones physical gifts are taken away & he fights an opponent much larger than him, then applies his Jeet Kun Do to find a way to be adaptable/unpredictable/etc & win.
Jones must move up to HW in the future to test this theory & I believe he can do it... I don't wanna live in a universe where this never happens.
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Nostradamus was a lunatic and his writings are interpreted by even bigger lunatics, when in fact they were just ramblings of a madman - Bruce Lee was ahead of its time and actually right about many things yet to come. No connection here.
Good read, and you are right. Bruce Lee was so much more than just a movie star (which the ignorants will always claim him to be). His philosophy and approach to martial arts was a huge part of what made him great. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Always adapt if you want to be the best, and that's what MMA is all about.
Actually, Bruce later regretted that he named his art "Jeet Kune Do", because he felt it wouldn't correspond with the idea that fighting must always be in flux and never pertain to a certain set of techniques as traditional martial arts usually infer, and it thus shouldn't have been named at all.
On top of that, Bruce Lee was a fantastic athlete. He might not have had any documented fighting experience, but his training mentality was second to none, and he was able to perform some rather astounding physical feats. Everyone who ever trained with him said he was unbelievably fast and strong. I think he could have become one of the p4p best fighters if he was young (and alive) and training/fighting MMA today.
Yes, I swing from his moldy nuts, and yes, you should do it too. He was a great inspiration.
Always adapt if you want to be the best, and that's what MMA is all about. Actually, Bruce later regretted that he named his art "Jeet Kune Do", because he felt it wouldn't correspond with the idea that fighting must always be in flux and never pertain to a certain set of techniques as traditional martial arts usually infer, and it thus shouldn't have been named at all.
On top of that, Bruce Lee was a fantastic athlete. He might not have had any documented fighting experience, but his training mentality was second to none, and he was able to perform some rather astounding physical feats. Everyone who ever trained with him said he was unbelievably fast and strong. I think he could have become one of the p4p best fighters if he was young (and alive
) and training/fighting MMA today.Yes, I swing from his moldy nuts, and yes, you should do it too. He was a great inspiration.
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a fighter with exceptionally long arms would have to be stupid to not use the hand on head, pawing technique.
jones's uses it and wins. struve doesn't use it and loses.
the only diff is fans hate that jones' does it and wins. if he did it and lost nobody would care. its just jones they hate, not his style lol.
I think the reason why he did not fight in competitions is because he does not like the fact that there are rules. I guess he just wants it no holds barred
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If I hear one more thing about Lee coming up with the concept of mixing martial arts...
Martial artists have been doing that for centuries. Shit, when Jigoro Kano first came up with judo, he basically mixed three styles of jujutsu, one focused on throws, another on ground fighting, and another on strikes. Lee just gets more press because he lived and promoted riiight before the information age.
Martial artists have been doing that for centuries. Shit, when Jigoro Kano first came up with judo, he basically mixed three styles of jujutsu, one focused on throws, another on ground fighting, and another on strikes. Lee just gets more press because he lived and promoted riiight before the information age.
