Bruce Lee JKD for mma

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  1. rizky

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    How effective you think it will be. I'm not talking about jkd is a philosophy. I'm talking about Bruce Lee personal style like in the 'Bruce Lee Fighting Method' books. His idea on interception, non telegraphic, straight lead , back fist, trapping, side kick etc. (Unless the finger jab and groin kick)

    If bruce lee make it his style so he is sure it will be effective. What do you think? Why we never seen it in mma.

    And the bonus is how do you think bruce lee fight against dominick cruz stand up only?
     
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    Bruce would get taken down and submitted.
     
  3. Replay19

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    Bruce Lee hated, HATED rules. He used to compete in Hong Kong in boxing matches and judges one time ruled him unfairly, so he hated it. That's why he liked fighting people in street fights, including professional fighters. So hypothetically in an MMA match, Lee would have never joined in the first place to compete. If he was forced to fight, honestly, he would hate the rules that favor ground game so much in the UFC. People don't realize that UFC has many MANY rules that favor grappling. If you read Bruce Lee's books, he actually has notes on what he would do against a wrestler on the ground in a street fight. Such as, biting, skin pinching, ear pulling, hair pulling, groin grabbing (IKR.. crazy?), and a few others I can't remember. You put Bruce Lee in a ring with rules though, and I personally believe he wouldn't get taken down so easily. Lee knew some grappling from many black belts that he trained with who were professional fighters, Lee also trained with a judo guy who sparred with Rickson Gracie in Rickson's prime in the 80s/90s.
     
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    II Muchetto II Orange Belt

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    Bruce lee was a great philosopher and a great martial artist. But he wasn't a fighter. To speculate how good he would do against a full contact fighter at UFC level is a bit of an insult to Dominic Cruz. It's a lack of respect to what professional fighters put themselves through everyday to do what they do.
     
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    TheGZA Excellent! But not good.

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    Every TMA goofball had a plan for defeating grappling. Spoiler alert: didn't work.

     
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    Curly Peibce Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    I always thought it was kinda convenient Lee basically said JKD was any style or technique that worked. I always assumed his goal was to set up a monopoly on martial arts in the western world.
     
  7. Replay19

    Replay19 Orange Belt

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    but jkd isnt traditional martial arts. there's wrestling, judo, chin na (chinese grappling), and also jiujitsu. if you read the tao of jeet kune do there was already ground game implemented, and ground game mixed with full contact combat was also displayed in the game of death and enter the dragon.

    Hayward Nishioka (1942- ), a 9th degree black belt in Judo, is also a Japanese-American community college physical education instructor and the former Judo Gold Medallist at the 1967 Pan American Games. He won five consecutive national championships from 1965 to 1970 and was ranked 5th in the world in 1965 and 1967. On January 13, 1987, Nishioka, at the age of 44, defeated challenger, Rickson Gracie (age 28) with a number of throws at his Judo school. Nishioka admitted training with Bruce in the 60s and personally sparred with Bruce. He was in awe of Bruce’s exceptional martial art prowess.

    "I remember one time I was at Bruce's house," said Hayward Nishioka, who was voted into the BLACK BELT HALL of Fame twice for his judo, as both an instructor and a competitor. "I had done a little karate, but I couldn't hold a candle to him (Bruce). He was too fast for me; he would tap my head before I even got set.

    what do you personally think about that?
     
  8. II Muchetto II

    II Muchetto II Orange Belt

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    Well, I believe he won his gold medals in kata, not fighting, so it sounds like hear-say to me.

    I know people who are world class kata competitors in karate, but they are crap and kumite so don't do it. They have perfect technique, but have a lack of understanding on how to apply it Good for demoing things in class when you have a unresisting partner.

    People who tend to excel in the forms are really into the fantasy side of martial arts and just because someone has written that he beat rickson Gracie on Wikipedia, it doesn't make it true.

    I suppose you believe the JCVD blood sport film about frank dux is a true story too?

    There was a lot of nonsense and made up story's about martial arts back then because people use to make shit up and get away with it, because there was no testing ground.

    Not saying it's not true, but I don't believe he beat rickson Gracie in a "fight" when Rickson came to his club to train. Sounds a bit like fantasy bullshit to me
     
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    First thing that came on youtube googling the guy's name.
    Pretty typical, Rickson did well on the ground, but didn't do as well standing.
     
  10. Replay19

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    wasnt rickson better than royce too?
     
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    Every school that isn't retarded or very intentionally sticking to one style of training does that though. No one is going to seriously train for a full contact fight and refuse to learn what a jab is because they only learned the reverse punch in their karate class. Edit: Actually I remember someone trying to fight I think it was Koscheck using only karate hand techniques. Obviously it was a complete disaster.
     
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    yup
     
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    Nobody ever made a thread like this before. Ever.
     
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    I'd bet on Dom against two Bruce lees, he'd find a way to get it done.
     
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    Conceptually its fine but if implemented the way its portrayed in film it wouldn't work. Trapping is a real thing but it looks nothing like how it does in Wing Chun, it simply involves covering one or both of your opponents hands with yours allowing you to land shots such as leg strikes, elbows and punches while neutralising some of their weapons.

    The straight lead and intercepting strikes are two versions of the jab and counters respectively, a fighter which prefers them would be fine just so long as they know other ways to use the jab and counter.

    Not telegraphing is obvious, every competitive martial arts style teaches one not to telegraph.

    The backlist can work, I've seen Arlovski and Dillashaw use them after right hands but its a supplement as it's ultimately inferior to the left hook. That said, the back fist that those two use looks far more like Escrima/Panantukan than it does to the wing chun type.

    The side kick is obviously a good move

    Cruz would beat seven shades of shit out of Bruce Lee in a striking match, a street fight, or on Tekken. It wouldn't even be close.

     

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