International British Special Forces Alleged to Regularly Execute Civilians in Afghanistan

[lifelessheap]

So wars involve killing?

 

[Confucamus]

Trying to root out the Bacha Bazi sickos?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Trying to root out the Bacha Bazi sickos?

Source?

 

[Yehudim]

It’s tragic but the main problem I see is how long it took to bring this to light.

Things are working accordingly if they’re rooting out their own and didn’t just have this come to light because the BBC found some secret documents or something.

Hopefully they find out the people responsible for this and other killings and put them in prison forever.

 

[Confucamus]

Source?

You need a source for a question?

 

[San Marino]

British Special Forces alleged to regularly execute civilians in Afghanistan. They feared some of the UK's most highly-trained troops had adopted a "deliberate policy" of illegally killing unarmed men.

How did they know the civilians were unarmed? Did they have a knife? Could they have been informants? Could they be holding the trigger to an IED? Maybe the men left their AK-47 at home. Does a 'bad' guy need to be armed to be killed? I don't believe either Osama bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani were armed when the U.S. military killed them.

 

[avenue94]

How did they know the civilians were unarmed? Did they have a knife? Could they have been informants? Could they be holding the trigger to an IED? Maybe the men left their AK-47 at home. Does a 'bad' guy need to be armed to be killed? I don't believe either Osama bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani were armed when the U.S. military killed them.

Did you read the article (suspiciously cookie cutter "reports" of what happened during operations, etc.) And are you implying being an informant would be grounds for summary killing? Because that would be hilariously out of line with any legal norms. And based on reports, bin Laden was armed when killed (not that it would have made a difference tbh)

 

[San Marino]

And are you implying being an informant would be grounds for summary killing? Because that would be hilariously out of line with any legal norms.

...like someone knowing about how 9/11 was going to happen and not holding them accountable for the death of 3,000 Americans? Completely in-line with legal norms. Weren't spies killed by both sides during the "50s, "60s, and "70s?

 

[aunshi189]

I love that Churchill is regarded as some fucking hero despite his actions not only in the Anglo-Irish War but his policies caused the Bengal Famine, a fun little topic the Anglos never want to address for some reason.

A lot of over simplification in this thread. Churchill asked for help from US ships to transport grain from Australia to India and Roosevelt said no.
Churchill was no doubt a racist and had some major fuck ups in his time, but people seem incapable of finding a middle ground between hailing him as some godlike hero or decrying him as an evil genocidal tyrant.

 

[Goonerview]

Doesn’t Afghanistan have a pandemic of child brides and raping young boys?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Some parts of Afghanistan have a really shit culture of abusing children. Not to mention growing heroin and other harmful drugs.

I don’t condone harming innocent people, but if I were there and I walked in on some child abuse, MFers are getting the bullet.

Regardless, the British should never have gone to Afghanistan in the first place. Absolute mess of a situation!

 

[JDragon]

Anybody is surprised?
People thinking "good guys" just go there and fight terrorists live in fairytales world

There is an article from the early 2000s that details how British and US special forces apparently differed from KSK in that they allegedly didn't care about collateral damage and therefore also took out civilians to be quicker (and found the "German approach" super complicated) . I can look it up if someone is interested.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Big boy's games, big boy's rules.

 

[Raffen]

Disgusting terrorist scum tbh

 

[aries]

British are the best at scoffing at other nations while doing worse things.

The Australian Special Forces were doing the exact same thing. I bet all Special Forces were at it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Trying to root out the Bacha Bazi sickos?

No those guys have power and influence so they get granted cushy state jobs by the coalition who cover up their crimes. Only poor and hapless civilians can be executed with impunity. Isn't "freedom" amazing?

Doesn’t Afghanistan have a pandemic of child brides and raping young boys?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Some parts of Afghanistan have a really shit culture of abusing children. Not to mention growing heroin and other harmful drugs.

I don’t condone harming innocent people, but if I were there and I walked in on some child abuse, MFers are getting the bullet.

Regardless, the British should never have gone to Afghanistan in the first place. Absolute mess of a situation!

Weird that you two brought this up when it has nothing to do with the story and wasn't mentioned once. Its almost like you're grasping for reasons to justify the massacre of civilians.

If you actually read the article, which I doubt you did, you'd see that the SF justify it by saying they were reaching for a weapon...after being detained. And they have tried this bullshit cover story multiple times. Like eight different detainees "reached for a grenade" that happened to be a dud. How convenient that grenades fail in Afghanistan when you most need them to. They even mention the curtain as the one places the guys always seem to stash their weapon. You'd think after the first half dozen guys hid rifles and grenades behind curtains they might check there after detaining the family. The article also points out that in more than one occasion there were more bodies than weapons, meaning the story that all these guys were armed and threatening the SF is most likely bullshit and they just killed them after detaining them. Like even the people who ran from the house into the night apparently turned around after finding a rifle or yet another dud grenade and attacked the SF. These fucking guys really think that if you just write "g-grenade!" in the report that makes the kill kosher.

SAS: "See kids, leftists have passed a bunch of laws to stop us from killing civilians on a whim. They say we can only kill them if they pose an immediate threat so before you execute them you have to yell 'grenade!'"

Source?

He's "just asking questions" bro. You should know the playbook by now.

There is an article from the early 2000s that details how British and US special forces apparently differed from KSK in that they allegedly didn't care about collateral damage and therefore also took out civilians to be quicker (and found the "German approach" super complicated) . I can look it up if someone is interested.

Sure.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Irish history is a history of Anglo genocide and ethnic cleansing. The potato famine was a fucking genocide.

The Bengal Famine killed more people than Hitler and it was all Churchills fault. The idea of British soldiers historically being these honorable people is bullshit. They reprimanded their soldiers who wanting to feed children so they didn't starve to death.

While we're talking about the British SAS it's important to remember the war crimes of the Australian SAS.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/47d85ab2-c54d-42f9-b3ce-350dba24731f

They were living on an island. Learn to fish, dumbasses

 

[JDragon]

Sure.

https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/kommando-spezialkraefte-die-profis-3545576.html

Use deepl.com for best results. I would translate, but it sucks on mobile.

I am working closely with a former KSK leader who was in the Kosovo. Never dared to ask him for details.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

@Kafir-kun can you post the translation when you read it?

 

[Cole train]

War,war never changes

 

[Islam Imamate]

How did they know the civilians were unarmed? Did they have a knife? Could they have been informants? Could they be holding the trigger to an IED? Maybe the men left their AK-47 at home. Does a 'bad' guy need to be armed to be killed? I don't believe either Osama bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani were armed when the U.S. military killed them.

The Major also found at least five separate incidents where more people were killed than there were weapons recovered. That means either the weapons went missing or the people who were killed were not armed.

In one case, nine people had been killed and only three weapons had been recovered.

https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/kommando-spezialkraefte-die-profis-3545576.html

Use deepl.com for best results. I would translate, but it sucks on mobile.

I am working closely with a former KSK leader who was in the Kosovo. Never dared to ask him for details.

@Kafir-kun can you post the translation when you read it?

This is only the part JDragon referred to, there's a lot more to the article if you want to read the rest but we're not supposed to post entire articles and most is not relevant to his point anyway.

During the missions in Afghanistan, German commandos find hiding places for weapons, spy out villages, take part in battles, are fired upon, get into minefields, have injured, take prisoners. At 3,000 meters high in the mountains, the air is quite thin. "Once it took us eight hours to cover 600 metres of terrain," says a sergeant major from Celle. "And then you lie in a camouflaged position. Wait, look, wait, look. A stupid goat comes closer. We throw stones - no use. A little later the shepherd comes, an old man. You aim at him. Your dipole aerial sticks out of position. He bends down to you, says "Salem Aleikum" and goes on very cool. You're exposed, you report it, you move your position, and at some point the helicopter gets you out of there.

When you return, the camouflage paint still on their faces, the soldiers discuss the details. "There's screaming, too," says Lieutenant Colonel Staub. It's the Americans who ask hard why the Sergeant Major didn't "eliminate" the goatherd. Shoot him down with a silenced gun, then he could have continued the mission. "I'm not gonna do that," says the KSK spotter.

"Eliminate the Americans.

such threats are real," says an ex-officer of the KSK. "We saw in Afghanistan how disgusting US soldiers were with Afghans, kicks and butt blows were still harmless. They treated them like subhumans." The Germans would also have seen how Americans "flattened whole villages in Operation Anaconda" and "ripped locks off doors: Here boys, free to loot." The high-ranking ex-KSK-man says: "The pictures of Abu Ghraib, the torture in Iraqi prisons, did not surprise me at all."

Officials at the Department of Defense say KSK soldiers only took a handful of prisoners in Afghanistan and let them go. The truth is, "We always had Americans with us when prisoners were taken. That's how they arrested the suspects, not us. In fact, German soldiers are not allowed to hand prisoners over to a country that imposes the death penalty. "Basically, it's a mess to send our guys in there with unsettled legal positions," says the ex-officer. "Will our 28-year-old trooper have one foot in jail if the Americans execute his prisoner?"

After a few months, the Americans and British withdraw their special forces from Afghanistan. preparing for the war in Iraq. Since Operation Anaconda, in which KSK forces participated in March and April 2001, the al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters no longer appear in groups, most of them have disappeared over the mountains into Pakistan. The KSK also wants to withdraw its contingent - but it must remain. "The meaningful mission has become a political one. We were the political price for Germany not supporting the US in Iraq," says one officer. "Our mission no longer made sense; others could have handled such missions. We were sitting there in the desert, catching scorpions."

Special Forces are like a dagger: you have to stab it with it and then drag it back for the next mission. It's rusty in Afghanistan. It was not possible to train it the way commandos need it. This has changed since the return of all command troops in autumn 2003. Now they are being ground again. They drag themselves with 35 kilos of luggage 40 kilometres through the ups and downs of the Swabian Alb. They storm a rented Airbus plane at Frankfurt Airport and train cars at Dortmund station. At Pfullendorf, medical specialists rehearse "Bergen from Minefield under Fire". The Wing-Tschung instructor explains to the youngsters "78 targets on the human body". And in the aptitude test new applicants despair.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Maybe he can take a look and tell us what, if anything, is lost in translation.