Law Britain abandons democracy

When Brexit was in the polls, I was working in special assistance for disabled passengers, a shit-paying, toxic job that put me in contact with a lot of passengers from here and around the world, mostly good.

Those who had immigrated from other countries didn't like it, though most of them were either from India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka.

One Portuguese bloke didn't like it because he was scared about complications regarding his stay in the UK, same with a few Polish women.

About the passengers themselves? The vast majority were pushing for Brexit. Where I work now (a place full of middle-aged men lifting heavy shit), they pushed for Brexit. My father (who lives in an affulent area and has owned several properties as a landlord, was an independent campaigner for Brexit. My brother, my grandmother (a native German), and my uncle (who works in internet security, pushed for Brexit.

So naturally, as the black-sheep of the family, I followed them, believing that they were more well-read (and frankly passionate) about it. Cleverer too. Upon hindsight, I wish that I didn't vote.

I saw an image on here a while ago detailing what has happened to other EU countries that went against the grain via referendum. Life was made harder for them, a second referendum happened and the people changed their minds. In a relationship, this would be considered highly abusive, but alas, it's a business, like most things. The EU needs a deterrent, maybe they even want the UK to stay?

So there is a part of me that doesn't want to surrender to not only the EU, but the media that routinely insults and demeans the common man, the "little englander", so to speak. I don't like being manipulated, at all.

Then again, I also see the use of patriotism and the idea of "them against us" as a tool for manipulation. I do not believe that, from the government, to the councils (evil fucks but that's another story), has any genuine empathy for the common man. I believe that our own social failings have more to do with our society and our families inability to celebrate our English/Britishness, as opposed to the "evil foreigner" rubbishing our culture and trying to erode our way of life. The English, the British, our families are cracked and we do not pass down our history or culture to our children, but instead we just cope the way we can, via TV, football and the local pub. This is our fault, not theirs. Unless they are of an affluent family or exceptional parentage, our children are dragged up, not raised.

Ever since that vote, I now look at life and intend to look small. My vote doesn't matter. I just want to get my own home, be in frequent contact with my family and travel the world as much as I can before I die.
 
I accept your concession.

You're unable to challenge or refute the notion that any nation with hate speech laws objectively has less Liberty than the United States.

Thank you, you're dismissed.
Youve set up a straw man argument / false dilemma. There are numerous ways in which freedom is measured - not just speech.

It's a good thing that you and I are both unqualified to talk about these matters authoritatively and instead we can defer to the scores of scientists that spend their days studying this exact topic. And the people that do that don't agree with your assertions. Align yourself with reality instead of trying to bend reality to your skewed views.
 
It abandons democracy by following what is now the will of the overwhelming majority ?

Instead it must stick to a non binding vote , one won by a wafer slim minority years ago based on promises long exposed as lies from rich old farts who only want to dodge eu tax laws and carve up the u.k like a turkey , to pawn it off in a way that would make even thatcher blush !
 
Is it really so hard to say SOME on the left instead of generalizing? I'm on the left. I dont hate powerful rich white men unless they're bad people.

You talk about the left doing their bidding but the right do this as well. Both sides have people doing the bidding's for the more powerful. Good and bad comes from both the left and right. People like you seem too tribal and I believe people in power like this. The more the left and right go at each other the less attention on them.

I use to say some but the left has been hijacked. If you continue to vote left while it's in its current state, then you are complicit.

The right is against bigger government, gun bans and confiscation, LGBTQ2+ for kids, open borders and even more legal immigration (there's got to be a legal immigration limit) and multiculturalism.

Is there such a thing as controlled opposition? Of course but like I said the main weapon of choice for the elite is the left. I think Conservative populations would be harder to control. I have yet to see a Conservative (any ethnicity) succumb to leftist brainwashing. It's like they're immune to it or something. That part is what fascinates me the most about this situation.

I would love for the right and left to join together but the left receives its marching orders from the people already mentioned. The left will not compromise.
 
It's not just Brexit, we need to see the complete and utter destruction of both the Tory and Labour parties once and for all. These people are pretty much universally complete and utter scum who utterly detest the ordinary people of this country. And yes, that includes the vile cunt Corbyn for any of you rape gang supporting Labour voting vermin reading this.
 
It's not just Brexit, we need to see the complete and utter destruction of both the Tory and Labour parties once and for all. These people are pretty much universally complete and utter scum who utterly detest the ordinary people of this country. And yes, that includes the vile cunt Corbyn for any of you rape gang supporting Labour voting vermin reading this.
Who you going to vote for at the next general election then?
 
I use to say some but the left has been hijacked. If you continue to vote left while it's in its current state, then you are complicit.

The right is against bigger government, gun bans and confiscation, LGBTQ2+ for kids, open borders and even more legal immigration (there's got to be a legal immigration limit) and multiculturalism.

Is there such a thing as controlled opposition? Of course but like I said the main weapon of choice for the elite is the left. I think Conservative populations would be harder to control. I have yet to see a Conservative (any ethnicity) succumb to leftist brainwashing. It's like they're immune to it or something. That part is what fascinates me the most about this situation.

I would love for the right and left to join together but the left receives its marching orders from the people already mentioned. The left will not compromise.

See Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, the Patriot Act, ect. And now...Iran.
 
Lol. So, you're basically making the argument that native Britons should have been afraid of foreigners moving into their country, culturally overruling them and politically overwhelming them; but that it's too late to do anything about it now, so everyone should just shut up with their "fear-mongering" - even though you admit that their fear-mongering is actually just honest observation.

Your argument justifies xenophobia - you might want to work out the kinks before you continue employing it.
That woke genius tapped himself out within 2 minutes of his own argument.

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When describing his party, yea, he was

That’s not how you spell “I guess people weren’t entirely straightforward in the 1930s like I said, especially Nazis.”
 
Youve set up a straw man argument / false dilemma. There are numerous ways in which freedom is measured - not just speech.
That's why I'm specifically talking about Liberty. A country without freedom of speech will have less Liberty than a country with freedom of speech. I use hate speech laws because it's a fairly easy way to demonstrate this argument. A country with hate speech laws objectively has less liberty then a nation without such laws.

No convincing counter-argument to this notion exists, nor will you be able to articulate one.

Of this, I am 100% sure. I anticipate you either tucking tail and running, or you will attempt to deflect away from my argument. Regardless, you will not be able to articulate a counter argument to the notion I have put forward.

It's a good thing that you and I are both unqualified to talk about these matters authoritatively and instead we can defer to the scores of scientists that spend their days studying this exact topic. And the people that do that don't agree with your assertions. Align yourself with reality instead of trying to bend reality to your skewed views.

Argumentum ad Verecundiam

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/21/Appeal-to-Authority
 
That's why I'm specifically talking about Liberty. A country without freedom of speech will have less Liberty than a country with freedom of speech. I use hate speech laws because it's a fairly easy way to demonstrate this argument. A country with hate speech laws objectively has less liberty then a nation without such laws.

No convincing counter-argument to this notion exists, nor will you be able to articulate one.

Of this, I am 100% sure. I anticipate you either tucking tail and running, or you will attempt to deflect away from my argument. Regardless, you will not be able to articulate a counter argument to the notion I have put forward.



Argumentum ad Verecundiam

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/21/Appeal-to-Authority
This isn't a formal debate, so invoking logical fallacies is completely pointless. Im not debating you in front of a panel of judges. You are objectively, statistically wrong and what I'm doing is pointing out to you that virtually everyone that studies this for a living and knows what they're talking about, thinks you're wrong. Why would I value your science-free fact-free subjective opinions over the opinions and statistical analysis of those that dedicate their lives to providing this information to us??

You are only doing a univariate analysis of liberty, because of course that's what you do.

How much liberty do you have when corporations are poisoning your air and water, giving you cancer or other diseases? How much liberty do you have when the state incarcerates you in a hell hole for possessing a plant? How much liberty do you have when you empty your bank account to pay for an unexpected health emergency or go bankrupt?

The conservative ethos is always to dumb things down into the most simplistic and basic terms instead of taking the long winded, complex, informed and nuanced view of things. And you've done exactly that.

"Free speech = liberty!!!!!"
Sure thing pal.
 
That's why I'm specifically talking about Liberty. A country without freedom of speech will have less Liberty than a country with freedom of speech. I use hate speech laws because it's a fairly easy way to demonstrate this argument. A country with hate speech laws objectively has less liberty then a nation without such laws.

No convincing counter-argument to this notion exists, nor will you be able to articulate one.

Of this, I am 100% sure. I anticipate you either tucking tail and running, or you will attempt to deflect away from my argument. Regardless, you will not be able to articulate a counter argument to the notion I have put forward.



Argumentum ad Verecundiam

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/21/Appeal-to-Authority

All things being equal, a country without hate speech laws has more freedom than a country with them. Sure, even Noam Chomsky says that.

But Napoleonic France had freedom of speech (censorship only related to military matters, as with America) and was ruled by an emperor. A full on monarch. Freedom of speech laws are not a vaccine against tyranny. If the police are allowed to arrest and torture you on suspicion of a crime, and you're allowed to talk about it afterwards, does that mean you live in a free society? Any fair minded person would obviously argue "no".
 
When Brexit was in the polls, I was working in special assistance for disabled passengers, a shit-paying, toxic job that put me in contact with a lot of passengers from here and around the world, mostly good.

Those who had immigrated from other countries didn't like it, though most of them were either from India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka.

One Portuguese bloke didn't like it because he was scared about complications regarding his stay in the UK, same with a few Polish women.

About the passengers themselves? The vast majority were pushing for Brexit. Where I work now (a place full of middle-aged men lifting heavy shit), they pushed for Brexit. My father (who lives in an affulent area and has owned several properties as a landlord, was an independent campaigner for Brexit. My brother, my grandmother (a native German), and my uncle (who works in internet security, pushed for Brexit.

So naturally, as the black-sheep of the family, I followed them, believing that they were more well-read (and frankly passionate) about it. Cleverer too. Upon hindsight, I wish that I didn't vote.

I saw an image on here a while ago detailing what has happened to other EU countries that went against the grain via referendum. Life was made harder for them, a second referendum happened and the people changed their minds. In a relationship, this would be considered highly abusive, but alas, it's a business, like most things. The EU needs a deterrent, maybe they even want the UK to stay?

So there is a part of me that doesn't want to surrender to not only the EU, but the media that routinely insults and demeans the common man, the "little englander", so to speak. I don't like being manipulated, at all.

Then again, I also see the use of patriotism and the idea of "them against us" as a tool for manipulation. I do not believe that, from the government, to the councils (evil fucks but that's another story), has any genuine empathy for the common man. I believe that our own social failings have more to do with our society and our families inability to celebrate our English/Britishness, as opposed to the "evil foreigner" rubbishing our culture and trying to erode our way of life. The English, the British, our families are cracked and we do not pass down our history or culture to our children, but instead we just cope the way we can, via TV, football and the local pub. This is our fault, not theirs. Unless they are of an affluent family or exceptional parentage, our children are dragged up, not raised.

Ever since that vote, I now look at life and intend to look small. My vote doesn't matter. I just want to get my own home, be in frequent contact with my family and travel the world as much as I can before I die.

You might be interested in this documentary for some answers as to what is going on with the modern political landscape in the west. (Since the 80's)

 
US is by far the most freedom focused nation if you're a high income earner (considering its low cost of living coupled with its immense choice of options) and the freedom compounds if youre white, male, tall, attractive - all why it's my favorite nation
 
Hey you're the guy who thinks Hitler was a socialist!

Honk honk, moron!

Because he was. Beyond being the leader of the German socialist Labour party, alot of his appeal outside the national emergence of an ethnostate was appealing the common worker who was decimated post WW2 treaties. In fact, alot of his economic policies would have you creaming in your pink socialist panties.
 
This thread is the most entertaining clusterfuck I’ve read in a while.

LOL at darkball swallowing his own nuts.
 
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiLWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmJiYy5jb20vbmV3cy91ay1wb2xpdGljcy00OTA0MDEyONIBMWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmJiYy5jb20vbmV3cy9hbXAvdWstcG9saXRpY3MtNDkwNDAxMjg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Parliament has voted to make sure a no deal brexit cant occur.

Now it seems that they will exercise the authority of the queen as ruler to keep them in EU.

The same EU that the French people voted to reject, but their leaders overruled them anyways and ratified the state of France joining.

The same EU that uses corrupt backdoor deals to choose new leadership that will fuck over the people of Europe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...10f958-9d87-11e9-83e3-45fded8e8d2e_story.html

There is no democracy in Europe. Just dictates from an old elite aristocratic class that so plainly just wants to go back to the good ol days of outright ruling their ‘subjects’.

We should have let this evil aristocratic elite be destroyed along with the bankers.

Lol earlier today I said the banhammer was going to happen soon and now I see you’re halfway there.
 
That’s not how you spell “I guess people weren’t entirely straightforward in the 1930s like I said, especially Nazis.”
Yes, no one hid behind words then, they stated exactly what they were
 
The right is against bigger government, gun bans and confiscation
You realize trump has done more to harm the second amendment than any president likely in your lifetime, right? I mean, you do see that, right???
 
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