International Brexit News & Discussion v7: British Parliament Rejects Theresa May's Brexit Deal (Again)

Even so,

The top ranked priority overall was ensuring that the UK has strong economic growth, with a majority of people believing this was more important than the UK having control over its laws and regulations (54% vs 46%), being able to strike trade deals outside the EU (59% vs 41%), and reducing immigration (66% to 34%).

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/new-polling-reveals-shift-from-immigration-to-sovereignty-as-the-priority/

This whole ''Project Fear' bs and especially the notion that the evil EU does everything to make sure the UK stays are inventions of the Farages of the world. I cursed more than once about the damn Brits who consistently had their cake and ate it, too, via the special rebate.

I agree, there shouldn't have been a vote to begin with, but we all knew what we were voting for.
 
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

When we leave the EU we won’t be sending, you know, the vast amounts of money to the EU every year that we do at the moment. That means we will have money to spend on priorities like the NHS… We’ve set out that we’ll be putting more money into the NHS over the next five years, and it will mean £394 million more a week more going into our National Health Service.”

Theresa May, 16 November 2018

You forgot to quote the last part from your link.

Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.

There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.

We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.

However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.

Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else.
 
I didn't forget the last part. That's the opinion of the page. The PM words are what was meant to be quoted.

The increased spending on the NHS can only come from tax increases and spending cuts in othere areas, there is no Brexit dividend. Her words are meaningless waffle only fit for the side of a clown car.
 
The increased spending on the NHS can only come from tax increases and spending cuts, there is no Brexit dividend. Her words are meaningless waffle only fit for the side of a clown car.
That's great.

Everyone has an opinion and is an expert nowadays.
 
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

When we leave the EU we won’t be sending, you know, the vast amounts of money to the EU every year that we do at the moment. That means we will have money to spend on priorities like the NHS… We’ve set out that we’ll be putting more money into the NHS over the next five years, and it will mean £394 million more a week more going into our National Health Service.”

Theresa May, 16 November 2018

More smoke and mirrors from May and the tories.

That budget increase is the level they'll get to by 2023/24, which actually only works out at budget growth of about 3.4% annually.

Less than the growth in investment seen under labour, less than demand growth is expected to be, and still doesn't bring spending back in to line with comparable countries as a % of GDP (unless of course GDP shrinks massively in the intervening period!).

And won't really offset the damage done by cuts over the last 8 years.

It's completely disingenuous - they're acting like it's going to be at that level from April 1st, when it will be nowhere near it.

Yet as with everything these days no one in the media scrutinises their claims and everyone just believes it.
 

this sums up how fucking idiotic Brexit supporters are
 

this sums up how fucking idiotic Brexit supporters are


Absolutely staggering. Weakness is strength, up is down, ignorance is bliss. Brexit has become a cult where the idea of it is utterly flawless and where it's going wrong it's only because people didn't believe enough .
 


UK politicians are just delusional at this stage, they're heading towards a cliff edge but still think they can fly because they shoved a feather up their arse ?
 
So things are getting more interesting right now. It seems that May might be able to get a majority for the deal with the EU if there is some sort of time limit on the backstop agreement. Personally I don't believe we should compromise the backstop in any way and must stand firmly by the side and act in the interest of our member state Ireland. But maybe the union is not complete on that: The Polish foreign minister has proposed a time limit on the backstop.
 
So things are getting more interesting right now. It seems that May might be able to get a majority for the deal with the EU if there is some sort of time limit on the backstop agreement. Personally I don't believe we should compromise the backstop in any way and must stand firmly by the side and act in the interest of our member state Ireland. But maybe the union is not complete on that: The Polish foreign minister has proposed a time limit on the backstop.

What's the backstop agreement?
 
What would be very interesting is if the Eastern European countries simply get tired of it all and decide to break away from the EU altogether and form their own union. Wonder if any of the Western European nations would decide to join them? Isolate Germany and France.
 
What would be very interesting is if the Eastern European countries simply get tired of it all and decide to break away from the EU altogether and form their own union. Wonder if any of the Western European nations would decide to join them? Isolate Germany and France.

Why on Earth would they do that? The migrant issue is blown out of proportion, no way the Central and Eastern European countries would leave just because of that when they got so much European subsidies. Imagine Poland having to get all their expats back...
 
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