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International Brexit Discussion v9: The Last Extension

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Arkain2K, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    One question that I can't answer is what on earth does Johnson want to do?

    He'll get a majority and his deal via then next GE but guy appears to have no convictions whatsoever. He was more then happy to backstab the DUP without a seconds thought. Once he is secure and nolonger has to bribe the ERG then what? Softish exit, hard exit, Singapore on the Thames? Not got a clue.
     
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    Never trust a Tory.
     
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    Wow that's total bullshit.
     
  6. Billy no mates

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    And Sweden too , everything to everyone all at the same time.......4 years of excruciating,contradictory bullshit and bluster .
     
  7. Armbars

    Armbars Oops!

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    You guys are missing the point here.

    Any mps now seen to go against the deal now theyve already backed it lose their seat and damage their party.
    There was two votes.
    The 2nd vote was to look at the bill. Which the government lost, but that just adds more time to the leave date.

    Mps backed the deal, with a safeguard of the letwin ammendment meaning they can sctrutinise it.
    Either way, mps have now commited to leave. Just havent agreed a date and the specifics.
    Id bet we are out by the 31st Jan.
     
  8. Gl0kta

    Gl0kta Orange Belt

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    It's a good bet. Looking at a GE late November early December, a Tory majority then the WA being pushed through.

    No chance of being signed off prior to a GE as it will pick up some amendments the Torys won't like.

    Wild cards are Johnson fluffing the election or the GE delayed abit but really can't see it once the 31st is past.
     
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    Armbars Oops!

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    The response from the left/opposition benches was no to a GE, leader of the house said vote on monday for a GE but you get the feeling opposite benches wont grant one.
    Its funny really, theyre hellbent on collapsing Brexit than anything else, and given the chance to take the government down with their own mandate they bottle it .
    However, the sitting government have more than one way to call a GE.(3 in total) So I suspect we will have one regardless.
     
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    I'm kind of confused. Why can only Corbyn actually trigger a GE and not the PM and majority party? That makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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    Because you need a majority of two thirds to do that and the Tories don't even have 50% without the DUP.
     
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    I know. It's the system that doesn't make sense. Parliament is so dysfunctional. The majority party with the PM and No. 10 government itself can't trigger a GE without the opposition. It makes no sense.

    This would be the perfect time for the Queen to demonstrate the purpose of the monarchy remaining when Parliament isn't representing the public.
     
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    Well, technically the Government could try it other ways;

    1. Bypass the Fixed-term Parliaments Act
    If the government fails to reach two-thirds threshold, it may try to get round the requirement altogether. It could do so by introducing a very short law that sets a fixed election date of 12 December and adds "notwithstanding the Fixed-term Parliaments Act".

    2. Government calls a motion of no confidence in itself

    But either route would reek of desperation and likely damage the chances of re-election anyway. This is more proof of remainers attempting to destroy Brexit at every chance, if you cant see that, I don't know what to tell you?

    Still, I say we cancel the entire thing. What a fucking mess. Hopefully every MP in that house loses so much credibility they have to quit politics, and we get a fresh batch.
     
  14. Gl0kta

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    Parliament is representing the public vote as per the 2017 GE. The current mess is due to a minority government being voted in.
     
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    Except that the bill can now be amended, a whole lot of those that voted for it at second reading will want it amended to bring things like workers rights into the legislation rather than just the political declaration, the 2020 no deal poison pill removed etc..., and if not won't vote for it, and if it does happen, there is potential for ERG types to abandon ship and vote against it. It's by no means a done deal.
     
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    Cameron the the Tories passed the Fixed Term Parliament Act to stop Govts calling snap elections whenever they felt best suited them. It either requires a vote of no confidence from the opposition (showing the Govt doesn't have the support of the house to continue) or for the Govt to trigger, it requires a 2/3 majority vote.
     
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    Parliment is representing the people. They are elected, for a fixed term.

    That doesnt seem tough to understand.
     
  18. Gl0kta

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    It's showboating by Johnson, no way he ends up with a deal acceptable to parliament till after a GE.

    The question is once he has a majority and can comfortably tell the ERG types to go forth and multiply will he still be going for the hardest of Brexits or will he soften abit.

    Given all the lies I've no idea where he stands, if he stands at all.
     
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    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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