International Brexit Discussion v9: The Last Extension

[aitkenmike]

So the remainers scuttled this agreement?

DUP and ERG are remainders now?

 

[Rod1]

This logic. They won't allow a GE because they know a No Deal government would be elected. This is as obvious as anything could be. They want to block No Deal before any GE.

Stop with the majority bs. It's for AOC's constituents.

They did a GE after Brexit precisely for that reason and they didnt got a No-Deal government. Again, maybe read the entire thread before posting.

The reason why there isnt another GE is because there is no extension secured yet. Labour already said that it would allow GE once Brexit extension is secured.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...brexit-extension-secured-190926170056113.html

So you can call all the GEs you want, but one referendum ought to be treated like the Tables of the Stone?

You are the ones that need to drop that "OMG we love mob rule now" act, you dont give a shit about democracy.

 

[Rod1]

So the remainers scuttled this agreement?

You have 2 paths ahead of you.

1.- The path of the wise, who learns from his mistakes and proceeds to study a topic where he was shown to be wrong.

2.- The path of the fanatic whose beliefs are divine and thus any challenge to his worldview is an attack on himself and his beliefs.

Choose one buddy, we are in 2019 we have the fucking internet in our cellphones.

 

[KeepItRealist]

They did a GE after Brexit precisely for that reason and they didnt got a No-Deal government. Again, maybe read the entire thread before posting.

The reason why there isnt another GE is because there is no extension secured yet. Labour already said that it would allow GE once Brexit extension is secured.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...brexit-extension-secured-190926170056113.html

So you can call all the GEs you want, but one referendum ought to be treated like the Tables of the Stone?

You are the ones that need to drop that "OMG we love mob rule now" act, you dont give a shit about democracy.

Excuses and excuses. Could have already held a GE after May resigned, Labour refused. Because they lied in their manifesto and would be obliterated.

They want to have Corbyn make a deal he campaigns against and a second referendum where it's his deal vs Remain. That's complete horseshit.

 

[Happy Man]

You have 2 paths ahead of you.

1.- The path of the wise, who learns from his mistakes and proceeds to study a topic where he was shown to be wrong.

2.- The path of the fanatic whose beliefs are divine and thus any challenge to his worldview is an attack on himself and his beliefs.

Choose one buddy, we are in 2019 we have the fucking internet in our cellphones.

The UK will be free. Western democracy for western citizens.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

The UK will be free. Western democracy for western citizens.

tone it down a bit son, too obvious

 

[Happy Man]

tone it down a bit son, too obvious

I did that so he knows my answer.

 

[JDragon]

I did that so he knows my answer.

You mean you won't learn from your mistakes?

 

[Happy Man]

You mean you won't learn from your mistakes?

No, I didn’t reply to any of his two pigeon holed answers. I ain’t playing that game

 

[Deleted member 539235]

I did that so he knows my answer.

 

[JDragon]

Ah well, Rod wrote

You have 2 paths ahead of you.

1.- The path of the wise, who learns from his mistakes and proceeds to study a topic where he was shown to be wrong.

2.- The path of the fanatic whose beliefs are divine and thus any challenge to his worldview is an attack on himself and his beliefs.

Choose one buddy, we are in 2019 we have the fucking internet in our cellphones.

to which you replied

The UK will be free. Western democracy for western citizens.

and clarified

I did that so he knows my answer.

So no further questions from my side here, good job

 

[Rod1]

Excuses and excuses. Could have already held a GE after May resigned, Labour refused. Because they lied in their manifesto and would be obliterated.

You want to have GEs all the time until you get the government you want but you dont want a second referendum because "Thats against democracy bruh".

Seriously just say it like it is, you want Brexit no matter what the people actually want.

Labour isnt refusing another GE, they just dont want the GE to buy time for a Hard Brexit.

 

[Rod1]

The UK will be free. Western democracy for western citizens.

This a complete non-sequitur.

Fact is that its not the EU fault that the UK is acting like teenage girl, the EU negotiated and compromised in good faith, the UK is the one that scrapped the deal.

 

[Rod1]

No, I didn’t reply to any of his two pigeon holed answers. I ain’t playing that game

Again, you lied out of ignorance or malice by saying the EU doesnt gave the UK a fair deal.

The UK and the EU agreed to a deal, it was voted down in parliament, by both remainers and leavers.

Thats not the EU problem, Brexit is the UK choice, dont come around blaming the EU because you cant have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Arkain2K]

UK may 'clarify' new offer after EU urged 'fundamental changes'
05 October 2019​

The UK has indicated it could "clarify" its new Brexit offer after the EU called for "fundamental changes".

Talks will resume on Monday after the EU said the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop could not be the "basis" for a legally-binding treaty.

The UK has said it would work on the details before then but there was "no path" to a deal without alternative arrangements in Northern Ireland.

Boris Johnson has insisted the only options are a "new deal or no deal".

Earlier on Friday, he posted a message on social media saying there would be "no delay" to the UK's exit beyond the 31 October deadline.

This was despite the government stating, in papers submitted to a Scottish court, that the PM would comply with legislation passed by Parliament, known as the Benn Act.

This requires him to send a letter to the EU asking for a further three-month Brexit extension if no deal is agreed by 19 October - a day after a crucial summit of European leaders.

The UK has said its new proposals, presented on Wednesday, represent a "significant" shift and the basis for a "fair and reasonable compromise" after months of deadlock.

The BBC's Adam Fleming said, after five hours of talks on Friday, the two sides have not agreed to enter the so-called "tunnel" of intense negotiations on a final legal text.

He said the UK wanted that process to be under way by now but the EU is worried that the UK wants to leave too many details about customs and regulatory checks in Northern Ireland to be agreed during the post-Brexit transition period.

The EU's negotiators told diplomats on Friday that questions and gaps still remained and that fundamental changes were needed to make the UK blueprint acceptable.

The UK subsequently informed the European Commission it would do further work over the weekend and possibly submit clarifications by Monday - while stressing that the EU also needed to "move at pace" and the backstop must be replaced.

'Close to zero'
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage told the BBC that Mr Johnson was "deluding" himself if he thought he could do a deal, saying the odds were "hovering close to zero".

He told Radio 4's Any Questions that Brexiteers' trust in the prime minister would "evaporate" if he failed to keep his promises to meet the 31 October deadline.

Labour's Barry Gardiner told the same programme the PM seemed to be "lying to himself" over the Brexit deadline and he had a "tangential grasp" of the truth.

But Justice Secretary Robert Buckland said people needed to "move away from that kind of language" and the PM was "sincere" in his intentions.

While there were "hard yards" ahead in the talks, he said 19 October was an "eon away" and Mr Johnson was focused on bridging the gap between the two sides.

Anti-Brexit campaigners say Mr Johnson cannot be trusted, given the apparent contradiction between his repeated insistence on a 31 October Brexit and documents seen by Edinburgh's Court of Session suggesting he will request a delay if the conditions of the Benn Act are met.

The document emerged during a legal action initiated by QC Jo Maugham and SNP MP Joanna Cherry - who are seeking a legal ruling forcing the PM to comply with the law.

'True position'
No 10 has insisted that the government will obey the law in respect of the Benn Act, which is named after Labour MP Hilary Benn who spearheaded its passage into law.

But a senior Downing Street source told the BBC the law "can be interpreted in different ways" and the government was not prevented from "doing other things" that might forestall a further delay - which would have to be approved by all other 27 EU countries.

"The government is making its true position on delay known privately in Europe and this will become public soon," the source said.

Hungary's foreign minister Peter Szijjarto told the BBC there had been "rumours" his country may have been asked to veto another extension "but no such request has been received".

It came after a video posted to social media appeared to show Mr Szijjarto and Hungary's ambassador to Britain leaving the Cabinet Office building in Whitehall earlier this week.

Meanwhile, Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski has said he is considering mounting a private legal challenge to the Benn Act, which has been labelled the Surrender Act by its critics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-49936218

 

[Gl0kta]

The UK and the EU agreed to a deal, it was voted down in parliament, by both remainers and leavers.

Ultimately the deal failed to get through 'cause the Tories failed to get a majority in the last GE.

In case your not keeping up.

Referendum indisputable will of the people.
2017 GE elites, remoaners etc

 

[Rvd Slmr]

EU is so great

U.S. Can Impose Tariffs On $7.5 Billion of E.U. Goods in Retaliation for Airbus Subsidies

https://time.com/5690920/us-european-union-tariffs-billion/

You do realize that the US did the exact same thing with Boeing and is facing similar, if not worst, penalties in a few months, right?

 

[JDragon]

Macron gives Johnson until end of week to overhaul Brexit plan

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-boris-johnson-end-week-overhaul-brexit-plan

The Guardian's image choice for this story is nothing short of stellar:

Spoiler

 

[JDragon]

Guardian Explainer: How close are the UK and the EU to a deal?

 

[7437]

Ultimately the deal failed to get through 'cause the Tories failed to get a majority in the last GE.

In case your not keeping up.

Referendum indisputable will of the people.
2017 GE elites, remoaners etc

Referendum is will of the people. Elections are only the will of the elites.

That's fucking stupid.