International Brexit Discussion v9: The Last Extension

It's just that without the fada, Eire actually translates as burden. Given our "cough" shared history, you can see why this and other names/terms might be a problem in Ireland.

Oh yeah, absolutely I was not aware. Cheers for letting me know and apologies :) I'll not be lazy in future. Especially considering the rhetoric coming out by the Tories about Ireland at the moment, patronising fucks.
 
Oh yeah, absolutely I was not aware. Cheers for letting me know and apologies :) I'll not be lazy in future. Especially considering the rhetoric coming out by the Tories about Ireland at the moment, patronising fucks.

It's grand, I know you weren't being malicious about it. Unfortunately Brexit has brought out the worst in some people lately and the jingoistic nonsense has soured things for all of us. Brexiteers are looking for someone to blame for a mess they created and right now it seems they are pointing the finger at Ireland.
 
Germany Pins Hopes on Parliament to Thwart Johnson’s Brexit Plan
By Birgit Jennen | August 5, 2019



Germany doesn’t believe Boris Johnson will be able to make good on his threat to take Britain out of the European Union without a deal, according to two government officials, weakening the new prime minister’s negotiating position with the bloc.

German officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said they expect Parliament to thwart any attempt to rip the country out of the bloc without an agreement to smooth the process. Irish officials take a similar view.

Johnson has vowed to deliver Brexit on Oct. 31 “do or die.” He says he wants to cut a new deal with the EU but has set an ultimatum that the other side has made clear it can’t accept -- he wants to scrap a measure designed to keep the Irish border free of checkpoints. Johnson has said his threat to walk away must be credible to the other side, and as part of that strategy has increased spending on no-deal preparations.

The credibility of his threat is undermined by the opposition he faces in Parliament. His overall working majority was reduced to just one after a special election last week and there’s long been a clear majority against a no-deal split. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said on Monday he would call for a vote of no-confidence at "an appropriate very early time" once Parliament gets back to work in September.

If Corbyn succeeds, then a general election would be triggered. Still, Dominic Cummings, a key adviser to Johnson and a major player in the 2016 referendum campaign, has told officials that even if Parliament forces an election, it’s already too late to stop a no-deal split, according to the Telegraph newspaper.

The government could call an election after Oct. 31 -- and allow Britain to tumble out of the bloc during the campaign -- the Telegraph reported him as saying. He said the EU is making a mistake thinking the U.K. is bluffing.

Berlin’s Hope

In Berlin, officials see elections as a safety net. They expect a general election would strengthen the pro-EU parties, raising the possibility of a new government led by a coalition of Labour and Liberal Democrats, the officials said. The Lib Dems want a second referendum and Labour also advocates putting the terms of a Brexit deal back to voters.

A poll last week by YouGov indicated that in a general election, the Conservatives would win 32% of the vote, with Labour on 22%, the Liberal Democrats on 19% and Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party on 13%.

If the opposition fails to prompt an election, then lawmakers could try other methods to prevent a no-deal split -- using the tools of Parliament and the courts. Politicians are expecting a constitutional showdown in the coming months, and Johnson hasn’t ruled out suspending Parliament to push through his vision of Brexit.

Parliament forced former Prime Minister Theresa May to seek an extension to EU membership rather than crash out of the bloc earlier this year, and politicians across the House of Commons are already working on maneuvers to tie Johnson’s hands too. But a more determined prime minister might be harder to block.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-05/germany-pins-hopes-on-parliament-to-thwart-johnson-s-brexit-plan
 
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Germany Pins Hopes on Parliament to Thwart Johnson’s Brexit Plan
By Birgit Jennen | August 5, 2019



Germany doesn’t believe Boris Johnson will be able to make good on his threat to take Britain out of the European Union without a deal, according to two government officials, weakening the new prime minister’s negotiating position with the bloc.

German officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said they expect Parliament to thwart any attempt to rip the country out of the bloc without an agreement to smooth the process. Irish officials take a similar view.

Johnson has vowed to deliver Brexit on Oct. 31 “do or die.” He says he wants to cut a new deal with the EU but has set an ultimatum that the other side has made clear it can’t accept -- he wants to scrap a measure designed to keep the Irish border free of checkpoints. Johnson has said his threat to walk away must be credible to the other side, and as part of that strategy has increased spending on no-deal preparations.

The credibility of his threat is undermined by the opposition he faces in Parliament. His overall working majority was reduced to just one after a special election last week and there’s long been a clear majority against a no-deal split. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said on Monday he would call for a vote of no-confidence at "an appropriate very early time" once Parliament gets back to work in September.

If Corbyn succeeds, then a general election would be triggered. Still, Dominic Cummings, a key adviser to Johnson and a major player in the 2016 referendum campaign, has told officials that even if Parliament forces an election, it’s already too late to stop a no-deal split, according to the Telegraph newspaper.

The government could call an election after Oct. 31 -- and allow Britain to tumble out of the bloc during the campaign -- the Telegraph reported him as saying. He said the EU is making a mistake thinking the U.K. is bluffing.

Berlin’s Hope

In Berlin, officials see elections as a safety net. They expect a general election would strengthen the pro-EU parties, raising the possibility of a new government led by a coalition of Labour and Liberal Democrats, the officials said. The Lib Dems want a second referendum and Labour also advocates putting the terms of a Brexit deal back to voters.

A poll last week by YouGov indicated that in a general election, the Conservatives would win 32% of the vote, with Labour on 22%, the Liberal Democrats on 19% and Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party on 13%.

If the opposition fails to prompt an election, then lawmakers could try other methods to prevent a no-deal split -- using the tools of Parliament and the courts. Politicians are expecting a constitutional showdown in the coming months, and Johnson hasn’t ruled out suspending Parliament to push through his vision of Brexit.

Parliament forced former Prime Minister Theresa May to seek an extension to EU membership rather than crash out of the bloc earlier this year, and politicians across the House of Commons are already working on maneuvers to tie Johnson’s hands too. But a more determined prime minister might be harder to block.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-05/germany-pins-hopes-on-parliament-to-thwart-johnson-s-brexit-plan


Depends on who you ask. According to Dominic Cummings, who ran the Leave Campaign and is one of Johnson's senior advisors, those who oppose Brexit have run out time to stop it. Cummings has said that if they pass a vote of No Confidence, all the government has to do is call a general election for after October 31st and a No Deal happens by default.
 
Depends on who you ask. According to Dominic Cummings, who ran the Leave Campaign and is one of Johnson's senior advisors, those who oppose Brexit have run out time to stop it. Cummings has said that if they pass a vote of No Confidence, all the government has to do is call a general election for after October 31st and a No Deal happens by default.

I'd assume that BJ will 'give in' to have a GE and get a proper majority in that case (requesting a Brexit extension for half a year or whatever).
 
I'd assume that BJ will 'give in' to have a GE and get a proper majority in that case (requesting a Brexit extension for half a year or whatever).

Probably. I sincerely doubt we're leaving on Halloween, with or without a deal.
 
Probably. I sincerely doubt we're leaving on Halloween, with or without a deal.


The thing is, I don't think Boris wants no deal Brexit. Heck, he probably doesn't even want Brexit (though not delivering would hurt him at some point). What he wants is power.

And ultimately, the EU also wants him to have a stable government in order to even be able end this ordeal with a deal (which might get cosmetic adjustments to save BJ's face).
 
The thing is, I don't think Boris wants no deal Brexit. Heck, he probably doesn't even want Brexit (though not delivering would hurt him at some point). What he wants is power.

And ultimately, the EU also wants him to have a stable government in order to even be able end this ordeal with a deal (which might get cosmetic adjustments to save BJ's face).

Agreed. Boris had to position himself as willing to go through with a No Deal because it's the only way he can try to get any concessions from the EU. It's all a giant game of bluff, and if the EU call him on it, he'll back down and try to find someone else to blame it on.
 
Depends on who you ask. According to Dominic Cummings, who ran the Leave Campaign and is one of Johnson's senior advisors, those who oppose Brexit have run out time to stop it. Cummings has said that if they pass a vote of No Confidence, all the government has to do is call a general election for after October 31st and a No Deal happens by default.

I wonder what would happen if one or more Torys either defected or retired/died and they lost the subsequent by-election(s) their majority is paper thin , there are still lots of different angles for shenanigans .
 
I wonder what would happen if one or more Torys either defected or retired/died and they lost the subsequent by-election(s) their majority is paper thin , there are still lots of different angles for shenanigans .

Majority right now is down to a single vote. The point that Cummings was making is that simply losing a vote of no confidence doesn't automatically halt Brexit. As I understand it, the government doesn't actually have to do anything to make Brexit happen; unless we repeal Article 50, Brexit happens on the 31st of October, deal or no deal.
 
UK too desperate to secure US trade deal, says Clinton's treasury secretary


Britain in weak negotiating position despite Trump’s warm words, says Larry Summers

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Tuesday: “Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate … it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that’s when you strike the hardest bargain.” https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dismisses-desperate-uk-hopes-of-us-trade-deal
 
UK too desperate to secure US trade deal, says Clinton's treasury secretary


Britain in weak negotiating position despite Trump’s warm words, says Larry Summers

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Tuesday: “Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate … it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that’s when you strike the hardest bargain.” https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dismisses-desperate-uk-hopes-of-us-trade-deal

But they all said it would be easy and we’d get a great deal and control over everything again???
 
Still waiting to hear what these positives of Brexit are apart from buzzwords and slogans. You’d think they’d trying to be counter pointing the negatives but it’s fucking quiet over there. Funny that, the public were told it would easy.

BloOoo PaSsPoRts!!!
 
Just get your freedom already Britain.

Unelected aristocratic elites in the EU can no longer rule the British people once you leave.

Then France, Italy and Greece will leave. No more EU. And piss on the ashes of the monarchied elites dream.
 
The thing is, I don't think Boris wants no deal Brexit. Heck, he probably doesn't even want Brexit (though not delivering would hurt him at some point). What he wants is power.

And ultimately, the EU also wants him to have a stable government in order to even be able end this ordeal with a deal (which might get cosmetic adjustments to save BJ's face).

It's always been about power for him. He's just used the chaos as the quickest route to it.

It's going to be an ugly mess. Homelessness is on the rise and it's only going to get worse. So many households have next to no savings and are a few bad months away from being out on their arses.
 
Just get your freedom already Britain.

Unelected aristocratic elites in the EU can no longer rule the British people once you leave.

Then France, Italy and Greece will leave. No more EU. And piss on the ashes of the monarchied elites dream.
You really haven’t got a clue about it all.
Also House of Lords says hello.
 
You really haven’t got a clue about it all.
Also House of Lords says hello.

House of Lords is against brexit.

Is Europe just full of people used to saying “yes my liege”?

Like imbedded in their DNA
 
Just get your freedom already Britain.

Unelected aristocratic elites in the EU can no longer rule the British people once you leave.

Then France, Italy and Greece will leave. No more EU. And piss on the ashes of the monarchied elites dream.
blah blah elites, blah blah soverignty, blah blah misinformed twaddle....
 
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