International Brexit Discussion v9: Boris Johnson's Deal Passed First Vote, Fast-Track Time Table Rejected

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  1. whougonnacall

    whougonnacall Silver Belt

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    Yes cause fucking the economy up is the way to help all of thise 3 things boris
     
  2. Pseudo Sane

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    This particular procedural pickle is due to the fixed election law.

    Normally, a PM in Boris' position could simply call an election.

    Now, we are stuck in a very unusual spot which is putting a bit of strain on the Parliamentary system. I understand why they don't want to trigger a general election, for tactical reasons, but it is strongly contributing to the current dysfunction.
     
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    He must mean he wants to revoke by the 31st, 'cause that's the only way Westminster avoids the next 10 years being filled with Brexit clownery.
     
  4. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    The virtual British "Constitution" is basically a bunch of contradicting Laws and Legal Precedent sets by various courts in different parts of the kingdom, patched and cobbled together with Goodwill and civil Gentlemen Agreements in Parliament.

    It's all falling apart on the wild wild Brexit frontiers now that there is no prior legal precedents to lean on, no more goodwill, and certainly no more civility to hold that fascade of a Constitution together.
     
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  6. JDragon

    JDragon DOX News Anchor Platinum Member

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    Well, let's see what significant movement actually means in practice. The European Union did not invent the backstop in order to make it difficult for the British. There are very good reasons why it currently is part of the exit agreement.

    Also, it's nice if Ireland and the UK are aligned, but there still is the necessity of preserving the customs union and the external border.


    So let's see.
     
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  7. curryjunkie

    curryjunkie mixed marital arts...

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    cos everyone knows schools , hospitals, and crime are top of the tories to do list..........its not as if they have spent the last few years fucking up education, selling off the NHS piecemeal, and cutting thousands of policemen from the ranks......................right?
     
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    James O'Brien Corrects Brexiter's Claims One By One Until He Hangs Up

    Jim from Heathrow said he wanted Brexit because he didn't want his children to be conscripted into the EU Army.

    When James pointed out that the UK could veto that any time they wanted to, Jim insisted that we would lose that veto when the Lisbon Treaty expires.

    James then explained to him that the Lisbon treaty myth had been debunked a number of times, including by professional fact-checkers Full Fact.

    He asked the caller to go away and Google his claims, but Jim responded: "I don't need to Google something for information I already have."

    But James told him: "You haven't got information, you've got falsehoods.


    "That stuff you read on Facebook has been rubbished, it's been pulled apart by everybody and you haven't noticed because you think it's information rather than lies."

    The call ended with possibly the finest 30 seconds of radio you will hear this year. Watch it on the video at the top of the page.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-obrien-corrects-brexiters-claims-one-by-one/

    Video in the link.
     
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  9. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    U.K. and Ireland Say They See ‘Pathway to a Possible Deal’ in Brexit Talks
    By Tim Ross and Robert Hutton | October 10, 2019



    The U.K. and the European Union took a step closer to agreeing the terms of Brexit after a positive meeting between the British and Irish leaders identified a “pathway” to a potential deal. The pound jumped by the most in seven months.

    U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson hosted Irish premier Leo Varadkar for two and a half hours of private talks at a country house in northwestern England before taking a walk around the grounds together. Varadkar said he believed a deal is possible before the end of the month, and urged negotiators to resume talks in Brussels.

    After the meeting, the two leaders issued a joint statement saying they had identified the potential for a route to an agreement during the course of a “detailed and constructive discussion.”

    Both leaders “continue to believe that a deal is in everybody’s interest,” they said in the statement. “They agreed that they could see a pathway to a possible deal.”

    “I had a very good meeting today with the prime minister and our teams together -- very positive, very promising,” Varadkar told reporters after the talks. “I do see a pathway towards an agreement in the coming weeks.” He said that, while obstacles remain, he hopes the progress on Thursday will be enough for formal negotiations to re-start in Brussels.



    Ireland’s position will guide the EU’s remaining 27 member states. If Johnson can convince Varadkar to move, there is a chance a deal could be outlined ahead of the crucial summit of EU leaders Oct. 17-18.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...aradkar-see-pathway-to-a-deal-in-brexit-talks
     
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  10. deise69

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    UK moves closer to original Northern Ireland-only backstop

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/1011/1082495-barnier-barclay-meeting-brussels/
     
  11. curryjunkie

    curryjunkie mixed marital arts...

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    <36> nice u-turn there boris....
     
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  13. Teen Wolf

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    It's a fucking disaster.

    You've got Gove trying to downplay medical shortages and that Patel smirking her way through the reports of how growth is going to be reduced.

    The government is a disgrace. Fucking off a nation and generation (or more) for what?

    As I've said before if you still want Brexit after everything has come out you're a fucking idiot.
     
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  14. JDragon

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    Power.

    I believe Boris is gonna win the election, without a majority of the votes for Brexit parties.
     
  15. Teen Wolf

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    For sure. It's definitely not for the good of the people.
     
  16. JDragon

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    Best thing Boris Johnson has made in a while: getting a flu shot.
     
  17. deise69

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    Looks like the UK government is starting to strip NI people of their Irish citizenship, in contravention of the GFA .

     
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    DUP seemingly set to block Johnson's proposal:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...rdens-1.4049357?mode=amp#.XaQc0MU2MA0.twitter

    DUP MP Jim Shannon added his voice to opposition to the proposed compromise involving Northern Ireland remaining legally part of the UK customs union but in practice operating as an EU customs territory.

    Mr Shannon said the proposed “double customs” solution would not work because it would treat Northern Ireland “differently” to Britain.

    “It is simple. Are we being treated the same as England? No, we are not. Therefore, if we are not being treated the same as England, then we are not going to accept it,” he said

     
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    The government will maintain defence spending at 2% of GDP.

    From the Queen's speech - so the UK is facing harsh budget cuts in real currency?
     
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