Breaking news: US forces in al-tanf have been encircled by Iranian militias and Hezbullah

[KaNesDeath]

Last thing US forces should be doing is pissing off the Iranian backed militias in the area.

 

[catchwrestle1]

When are people going to understand that we need to be fighting WITH Assad and not against him?

Fucking Trump. He's clueless, but not to blame here, really. They've been crushing ISIS and then here comes the USA to intervene? Why??? No need to ask, really. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not sure it's even up to Trump anymore. The President of the United States is a fucking twitter personality now. The position amounts to nothing of significance in modern times.

It appears that the 'global elites' IE USA/NATO/Israeli military-industrial cabal of power simply do not want Russia establishing a powerful middle-eastern ally and will go to great lengths to interfere with Russia succeeding in their effort to stabilize Syria. They're going (and have already gone) as far as actively supporting ISIS and coordinating attacks with them - purely for destabilization purposes, it would appear.

After all, it serves Russia's geopolitical interests greatly and would allow them to have a much more pronounced effect on the current respective spheres of influence in the Middle East. And consequentially, the Russian sphere of influence there would grow - massively. That could present a severe long-term problem.

And we can't have that. The Middle East is the US and Israeli playground and they don't want to share the sandbox. It's understandable, in a sense. It's a big chess game. Russia has been looking for a hand to play in the Middle East ever since they failed miserably in Afghanistan - this was their chance and they didn't miss it. Take a look at the list of hardware they've put on the ground already posted earlier in the thread. They aren't planning on bringing all that shit back home. Not a chance.

Good for them. They played it right and jumped at the chance the Syrian civil war afforded them. And I respect them for waiting for the appropriate moment to intervene. They didn't stumble and blunder their way into the country; they slid in surgically and without much fanfare or diplomatic opposition. Everyone knew ISIS was there, and no US politician can overtly support what ISIS does. And the knew that. They counted on it.

Funny though, the US tried pretty damn hard to make Assad and the SAA the bad guys. Even going as far as the provably manufactured chemical attack(s). But they were poorly staged and quite frankly just don't look so bad when you have ISIS on the other side... people who are a threat to literally everybody who isn't Muslim.

Who gives a shit about the Syrian Army or government when you've got fucking scumbags pledging allegiance to ISIS shooting up 50 people in a gay bar? Blowing up 20 teenage girls at a concert? Mowing down dozens of tourists and civilians with a cargo truck because hey - they aren't all Muslim, right? So murder them in cold blood, because you know, Allah says go for it. That's a real modern ideology, huh?

Anyway, the US needs to withdraw and prepare for the long haul... Russia has established a real foothold in the Middle East.

And after all, when the United States is materially supporting a group like ISIS, someone in the chain of command isn't thinking strategically about the future. Supporting scum like that for short-term effect has severe long-term consequences; and they don't bode well for anybody involved except piece of shit terrorists.

We SHOULD be temporarily aligning with Russia publicly (and Iranian fighters, by proxy, to a certain degree - that is to be done covertly) to annihilate ISIS. Period. Destroy them. There is a whole sector of Syria where the only military-aged males are ISIS fighters. It doesn't need to be pretty and it shouldn't be. No need to risk too many lives. Giant bombs were made for this type of campaign.

Then strategically retreat while working out an arrangement with Russia that forbids Iran from becoming a nuclear state. Russia would probably agree to that much. Together we keep Iran on a short leash. They think practically and that would make sense.

But the US has to fuck up EVERYTHING internationally these days... it became egregious so very long ago... it's hard to find a word for it now. It genuinely appears that some people in powerful places wouldn't mind or possibly even desire a large-scale armed conflict - why else would they actively provoke it?

 

[Selukrid612]

Last thing US forces should be doing is pissing off the Iranian backed militias in the area.

More like, the last thing the Iranian-backed militias should be doing is pissing off Trump.

 

[dragonsfly]

As you can see completely cut off and sealed in on that location. They have nothing to do now there. Completely overlooked and ignored. They warned several times and even fired but nobody took that serious. The US is a dying power imo. They don't get the respect they did example like pre-2000. They got soft and to much apologists

 

[Fronk]

The most hilarious part is they keep saying they don't want to fight Assad.

"Hey we just want to occupy your country, stop fighting us"

The US got outplayed by the Russians again as always.

 

[Prex32]

russia only stepped in when they realized assad was in danger of losing his power (another regime change) and isis/rebels were supported by the us coaliton, back then by turkey too. it's not like they planned it.

 

[SMEAC]

Best way to protect your people is by not sending them to third world hell holes to play regime change.

It's like you never learned about world superpowers

 

[lalaland]

What is Al-Tanf and what are we doing there?

 

[Rod1]

It's like you never learned about world superpowers

Its like you never learned with Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan

Dont send your troops to fight wars that locals dont want to fight themselves.

Better to pick a side willing to fight and give them weapons and training. If you are willing to fight the battles of others dont bitch around when they collapse the moment you leave the area.

 

[Rod1]

What is Al-Tanf and what are we doing there?

Preventing the Iran-Russia alliance from taking over the entire non-kurdish Syrian region.

 

[Orgasmo]

Let me get this straight. Murica supplied jihadist groups including Al-Qaeda affiliates, send troops into Syria without a declaration of war, set up bases there unilaterally and bombed Syrian army multiple times inside their own country. Now it's upset they're being surrounded?

Excuse my lack of sympathy. That's what you get for meddling and not respecting sovereignty.

 

[dragonsfly]

When are people going to understand that we need to be fighting WITH Assad and not against him?

Fucking Trump. He's clueless, but not to blame here, really. They've been crushing ISIS and then here comes the USA to intervene? Why??? No need to ask, really. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not sure it's even up to Trump anymore. The President of the United States is a fucking twitter personality now. The position amounts to nothing of significance in modern times.

It appears that the 'global elites' IE USA/NATO/Israeli military-industrial cabal of power simply do not want Russia establishing a powerful middle-eastern ally and will go to great lengths to interfere with Russia succeeding in their effort to stabilize Syria. They're going (and have already gone) as far as actively supporting ISIS and coordinating attacks with them - purely for destabilization purposes, it would appear.

After all, it serves Russia's geopolitical interests greatly and would allow them to have a much more pronounced effect on the current respective spheres of influence in the Middle East. And consequentially, the Russian sphere of influence there would grow - massively. That could present a severe long-term problem.

And we can't have that. The Middle East is the US and Israeli playground and they don't want to share the sandbox. It's understandable, in a sense. It's a big chess game. Russia has been looking for a hand to play in the Middle East ever since they failed miserably in Afghanistan - this was their chance and they didn't miss it. Take a look at the list of hardware they've put on the ground already posted earlier in the thread. They aren't planning on bringing all that shit back home. Not a chance.

Good for them. They played it right and jumped at the chance the Syrian civil war afforded them. And I respect them for waiting for the appropriate moment to intervene. They didn't stumble and blunder their way into the country; they slid in surgically and without much fanfare or diplomatic opposition. Everyone knew ISIS was there, and no US politician can overtly support what ISIS does. And the knew that. They counted on it.

Funny though, the US tried pretty damn hard to make Assad and the SAA the bad guys. Even going as far as the provably manufactured chemical attack(s). But they were poorly staged and quite frankly just don't look so bad when you have ISIS on the other side... people who are a threat to literally everybody who isn't Muslim.

Who gives a shit about the Syrian Army or government when you've got fucking scumbags pledging allegiance to ISIS shooting up 50 people in a gay bar? Blowing up 20 teenage girls at a concert? Mowing down dozens of tourists and civilians with a cargo truck because hey - they aren't all Muslim, right? So murder them in cold blood, because you know, Allah says go for it. That's a real modern ideology, huh?

Anyway, the US needs to withdraw and prepare for the long haul... Russia has established a real foothold in the Middle East.

And after all, when the United States is materially supporting a group like ISIS, someone in the chain of command isn't thinking strategically about the future. Supporting scum like that for short-term effect has severe long-term consequences; and they don't bode well for anybody involved except piece of shit terrorists.

We SHOULD be temporarily aligning with Russia publicly (and Iranian fighters, by proxy, to a certain degree - that is to be done covertly) to annihilate ISIS. Period. Destroy them. There is a whole sector of Syria where the only military-aged males are ISIS fighters. It doesn't need to be pretty and it shouldn't be. No need to risk too many lives. Giant bombs were made for this type of campaign.

Then strategically retreat while working out an arrangement with Russia that forbids Iran from becoming a nuclear state. Russia would probably agree to that much. Together we keep Iran on a short leash. They think practically and that would make sense.

But the US has to fuck up EVERYTHING internationally these days... it became egregious so very long ago... it's hard to find a word for it now. It genuinely appears that some people in powerful places wouldn't mind or possibly even desire a large-scale armed conflict - why else would they actively provoke it?

Iran wants to open a corridor and basically controll Iran to Lebanon and from there on continue expanding towards other regions until everything is captured couple that with an advancing Nuclear Weapon means Israel is completely surrounded by an enemy who got nuclear capability and whom have the desire for world domination which logically means Israel will have to bite the dust one way or the other if this plan gets fully materalized as for the Americans the Iran forces were more motivated towards blocking them then the US fighting ISIS and infact they don't even want them there. They blocked and encircled them instead of moving towards ISIS in As-Sukanah.

They have already started building fortifactions in the Iraqi border effectively blocking US influence in the region.

From Iran to Lebanon that is very serious opponent and player that can completely delete israel from the face of the earth at anytime and just continue expanding. Towards egypt and beyond and they are not just an harmless militias whom are light armed like ISIS. while ISIS is not even a nations just a group of people but this your dealing with nations soon to be Nuclear power who have expanding ambitions nor respect the US or take them serious in any matter. As you can see they have clearly overlooked and ignored them.

They know the US have grown tired and willing to give up eventually and they are happy to fill that gap. The US is only fighting an elusive enemy that don't exist in reality the likes like Al-Qaeda and ISIS while I do agree ISIS had territories but it was temp due to having so many antis in the ME they were never going to last there anyways because the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shias were against them and basically 95% of the population anyways. The Americans put in less then 3% to defeat them but the once who defeated them are the far ruthless entity who have globalized ambitions and soon to go nuclear. Iran have managed to gather a large forces outside of Iran and basically controll Iran to Lebanon. Israel have never been encircled more then this day.

There is no alligance between the ME and West and Israel will be sacrificed first. ISIS is basically over right now militarily but people never really saw the force that was gathering power in the region and building nuclear behind the scenes and who do you think that is going to eat these Nukes? Just imagine for yourself. A monster have been created and a very very large one at that.

 

[vespasian]

From Iran to Lebanon that is very serious opponent and player that can completely delete israel from the face of the earth at anytime and just continue expanding.

You sounded semi-coherent up to this point. Iran/Hezbollah can 'delete' Israel anytime? Do you mean delete from the map or something?

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Its like you never learned with Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan

Dont send your troops to fight wars that locals dont want to fight themselves.

Better to pick a side willing to fight and give them weapons and training. If you are willing to fight the battles of others dont bitch around when they collapse the moment you leave the area.

Not really. Sometimes you have to fight to stop the spread of communism and shit regimes.

 

[catchwrestle1]

Iran wants to open a corridor and basically controll Iran to Lebanon and from there on continue expanding towards other regions until everything is captured couple that with an advancing Nuclear Weapon means Israel is completely surrounded by an enemy who got nuclear capability and whom have the desire for world domination which logically means Israel will have to bite the dust one way or the other if this plan gets fully materalized as for the Americans the Iran forces were more motivated towards blocking them then the US fighting ISIS and infact they don't even want them there. They blocked and encircled them instead of moving towards ISIS in As-Sukanah.

They have already started building fortifactions in the Iraqi border effectively blocking US influence in the region.

From Iran to Lebanon that is very serious opponent and player that can completely delete israel from the face of the earth at anytime and just continue expanding. Towards egypt and beyond and they are not just an harmless militias whom are light armed like ISIS. while ISIS is not even a nations just a group of people but this your dealing with nations soon to be Nuclear power who have expanding ambitions nor respect the US or take them serious in any matter. As you can see they have clearly overlooked and ignored them.

They know the US have grown tired and willing to give up eventually and they are happy to fill that gap. The US is only fighting an elusive enemy that don't exist in reality the likes like Al-Qaeda and ISIS while I do agree ISIS had territories but it was temp due to having so many antis in the ME they were never going to last there anyways because the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shias were against them and basically 95% of the population anyways. The Americans put in less then 3% to defeat them but the once who defeated them are the far ruthless entity who have globalized ambitions and soon to go nuclear. Iran have managed to gather a large forces outside of Iran and basically controll Iran to Lebanon. Israel have never been encircled more then this day.

There is no alligance between the ME and West and Israel will be sacrificed first. ISIS is basically over right now militarily but people never really saw the force that was gathering power in the region and building nuclear behind the scenes and who do you think that is going to eat these Nukes? Just imagine for yourself. A monster have been created and a very very large one at that.

This scenario greatly exaggerates Iran's military capabilities and severely underestimates US interests in Israel.

And surely if anyone is eating nukes, it's going to be Iran and they'll be coming from Israel. Do you know the Israeli policy on handling a nuclear threat? The Israeli military would sooner launch a preemptive strike than see itself blown off the map.

And we KNOW Israel has access to a fully functional, completely modernized nuclear arsenal. Iran hasn't successfully tested any nuclear weapon. Not even once, from what I understand.

And it goes without saying that the US would probably annihilate Iran's military capabilities before allowing Israel to be jeopardized in such a manner. We have plenty of military assets stationed in the Middle East... surely you know this?

Israel is basically another continental United State. It will be defended as such. Whether there is proper justification for the US's allegiance to Israel (in all forms) is another, far more complicated question.

 

[Rod1]

Not really. Sometimes you have to fight to stop the spread of communism and shit regimes.

Yeah, when the locals are willing to put up a fight.

 

[Rod1]

Iran wants to open a corridor and basically controll Iran to Lebanon and from there on continue expanding towards other regions until everything is captured couple that with an advancing Nuclear Weapon means Israel is completely surrounded by an enemy who got nuclear capability and whom have the desire for world domination which logically means Israel will have to bite the dust one way or the other if this plan gets fully materalized as for the Americans the Iran forces were more motivated towards blocking them then the US fighting ISIS and infact they don't even want them there. They blocked and encircled them instead of moving towards ISIS in As-Sukanah.

They have already started building fortifactions in the Iraqi border effectively blocking US influence in the region.

From Iran to Lebanon that is very serious opponent and player that can completely delete israel from the face of the earth at anytime and just continue expanding. Towards egypt and beyond and they are not just an harmless militias whom are light armed like ISIS. while ISIS is not even a nations just a group of people but this your dealing with nations soon to be Nuclear power who have expanding ambitions nor respect the US or take them serious in any matter. As you can see they have clearly overlooked and ignored them.

They know the US have grown tired and willing to give up eventually and they are happy to fill that gap. The US is only fighting an elusive enemy that don't exist in reality the likes like Al-Qaeda and ISIS while I do agree ISIS had territories but it was temp due to having so many antis in the ME they were never going to last there anyways because the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shias were against them and basically 95% of the population anyways. The Americans put in less then 3% to defeat them but the once who defeated them are the far ruthless entity who have globalized ambitions and soon to go nuclear. Iran have managed to gather a large forces outside of Iran and basically controll Iran to Lebanon. Israel have never been encircled more then this day.

There is no alligance between the ME and West and Israel will be sacrificed first. ISIS is basically over right now militarily but people never really saw the force that was gathering power in the region and building nuclear behind the scenes and who do you think that is going to eat these Nukes? Just imagine for yourself. A monster have been created and a very very large one at that.

Iran has global domination ambitions? Not even crazy Khomeini had those.

Israel has nukes capable of hitting every nation on earth, Iran nuclear program is as of now the most closely monitored in the world, they wont be going for a nuke without the world having over a year in advance to stop them. Much less they would be able to develop a dozen, along with delivery methods.

 

[SMEAC]

Its like you never learned with Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan

Dont send your troops to fight wars that locals dont want to fight themselves.

Better to pick a side willing to fight and give them weapons and training. If you are willing to fight the battles of others dont bitch around when they collapse the moment you leave the area.

For a someone that is such a fanboy for soldiers that he beats his dick to Nazis...one might think that you would know better than to think the US ever lost a battle in those conflicts. Ah, but Rodrigo just wants to get in his anti-American sentiments at the expense of truth.

Its okay that you will never be an actual soldier Rod, you just keep beating your dick to Nazis.

 

[dragonsfly]

Iran has global domination ambitions? Not even crazy Khomeini had those.

Israel has nukes capable of hitting every nation on earth, Iran nuclear program is as of now the most closely monitored in the world, they wont be going for a nuke without the world having over a year in advance to stop them. Much less they would be able to develop a dozen, along with delivery methods.

What no global domination ambitions? You don't know obviously where their forces come from and how they are actully an international gathering then just local. Assad lost alot of his original forces but surprisngly now he has 2 times more forces then he did previously due to the heavy in flow of a shiite militias fighting for global domination.

Just take a closer look where they come from and who they are.. Most of them are international terrorist groups gathering in one place and they have been gathering none-stop thru out the last 6 years to the point where their numbers can be surprisingly large even tho Assad lost alot of forces he has now even bigger army thanks to media coverage to the point they recruit for him.

This gathering is not only there to defend Assad but they have other agendas such as Global domination and preparing for armegeddon. Israel will be next. Honestly speaking from militarily point of view right now if all of these gathered forces move on Israel she won't stand a chance and this is not the six day war where the west were fighting alongside them and the technology gap was huge but now we are in 2017 and the technology gap is basically little factpr if not any. Hack even ISIS has drones and what not. Israel won't be able to hold on for 9-months against them if they decided to march on them plus they have become battle hardened and Israel is tiny and also absolutely most of the civilians will flee right away and won't be able to sustain such pressure and incursion. Israel haven't experienced 6 year war and learned to live in such pressure. Most of the forces with Iran have become battle hardened.

The Israeli Tanks and Airstrikes ability can be shot down quite easily and when the incursion happens it's all over without even Iran bombardment. Iran don't even need to send forces to these in Syria right now who number closely to 1mio forces. They are using even child soldiers and hundredthousands of foreign international forces and terrorist organizations that have recruiting ability.

Israel can't defend itself against this but needs to be defended. If the US bails out on them they won't last 9 months if this Hezbullah and Iran inspired forces turn on them. Russia is there and seems to share same interest and they might also join in on that and the US will mostly likely bail out on them in such scenario if things present itself like that.

Iran have also been building nuclear behind the scenes while all the agreements were all publicity stunt from their side. I predict Iran will conquror Israel and the nations closer to it within the next 10yrs or so. They can mount nukes right across the border in Lebanon where even Israel defensive system won't work then followed by a blitz incursion could even be over by 1-2months max if they use bombardments and nukes.

 

[Rod1]

For a someone that is such a fanboy for soldiers that he beats his dick to Nazis...one might think that you would know better than to think the US ever lost a battle in those conflicts. Ah, but Rodrigo just wants to get in his anti-American sentiments at the expense of truth.

Its okay that you will never be an actual soldier Rod, you just keep beating your dick to Nazis.

LOL at truth.

Vietnam overrun by communists, Taliban as strong as ever and poised to take over the country if the US left the area and Iraq dominated by Iranian militias and ISIS.

Sounds like winning to me.