Breaking News: The Syrian war is over, winner-Russia. Shocking twist US abandons Kurds

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Afrin marks the point of collapse for American influence in Syria
Washington's abandonment of the Kurds left them with no other choice but to turn to the Assad government and its Russian backers. It's Moscow's chessboard now
By DAVID P. GOLDMANFEBRUARY 21, 2018 11:30 AM (UTC+8)


Abandoned by Washington and under bombardment by the Turkish army, the beleaguered Kurdish forces in the northern Syrian town of Afrin asked for, and received, help from Russia. A spokesman for the Kurdish YPG militia announced on February 20 that the Russian-backed government of Bashar al-Assad would send reinforcements to Afrin to assist the Kurds. France24reported that a convoy of pro-Assad forces entering Afrin came under Turkish artillery fire, and Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan claimed the government forces had to turn back.

The situation on the ground is unclear, but what is painfully clear is that Kurds have been abandoned by the United States less than a month after the Pentagon announced the formation of a 30,000-man ‘Border Security Force’ in northern Syria composed mainly of Kurdish fighters who had pushed ISIS out of the area. Turkey responded to the American initiative by invading northern Syria and bombing the Kurds, reportedly killing several hundred civilians. In deference to Turkey, the United States did nothing, so the Kurds asked for help from Russia.




As Alfred Hackenberger wrote in the German daily Die Welt, on February 19: “Russia would belong to the winners in the case of a Syrian-Kurdish military alliance. It would expand Russia’s military control of the country markedly. And Turkey would have to stop its invasion of Afrin, because a confrontation with Syrian soldiers would bring it directly into conflict with Russia.”

The siege of Afrin, to be sure, seems a minor episode in the long and miserable course of Syria’s civil war, but it may turn out to demarcate the point that American influence in the region collapsed beyond repair. Trained by the US and German armed forces, the Kurds represented the only effective force on the ground independent of the Russian-backed Assad regime following the defeat of Sunni militias backed by the US, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The Kurdish resurgence in Syria, though, drew a ferocious response from Turkey, which fears that Kurdish self-government spanning Iraq and Syria on its southeastern border would link up with its own rapidly-growing Kurdish population. More than half of Turkey’s population under 30 will be ethnic Kurds by the mid-2040s.

For the US administration, American assets in the region are like hotels on the Monopoly board, to be protected individually and piecemeal. No unified strategy ranks their relative importance or gauges whether they might be sacrificed for a larger goal

After its painful experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US won’t put boots on the ground beyond the few thousand special forces now deployed in Syria. The Kurds fought as a NATO auxiliary against ISIS and wanted nothing more than an American alliance. The Turks, meanwhile, are NATO members in name only and are hostile to key American interests. Among other things, Turkey is helping Russia to bypass Ukraine in delivering gas to southern Europe via the Turkstream pipeline. The Turks are bargaining hard with Russia, but ultimately will play ball.

Nonetheless, Washington is paralyzed by fear that Turkey might leave NATO if it stands behind the Kurds. “Nobody wants to be the guy who lost Turkey,” an administration official said.

The default view at the Pentagon is that Kurdish autonomy would create chaos in Iraq, threatening the country’s territorial autonomy. Iraq’s sectarian Shia government is now an ally of Iran, with Iranian-led Iraqi militias deployed in Syria. A little chaos in Iraq would strengthen America’s hand at the expense of Iran.

For Washington, the path of least resistance was to use the Kurds to fend off ISIS and then hang them out to dry. That left the Kurds with no other choice but to turn to the Assad government and its Russian backers. As a result, Russia is now the key ally both of the Assad government and the Kurdish militias that the US envisioned as its boots on the ground in the region.

Israel, America’s only real ally in the region, realized the consequences immediately. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s deputy minister for public diplomacy, Michael Oren, told Bloomberg News on February 12: “The American part of the equation is to back us up,” but the US “has almost no leverage on the ground. America did not ante up in Syria. It’s not in the game.” Two days earlier, an Israeli F-16 was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile over Syria. Most reports claim that a Syrian anti-aircraft battery firing a Cold War era A-7 Russian missile downed the plane, but there are also unconfirmed reports that a Russian crew fired at it with a Russian S-200 missile. If that is true, Russia presumably wanted to let the Israelis know who was in charge of the Syrian skies.


Israel’s diplomacy with Russia appears to have borne results. On February 20, Russia Today reported the TASS news agency quoting Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as saying (on February 19): “Russia condemns Tehran’s remarks that Israel should be wiped off the map and also believes that solving any regional problems should not be viewed through the prism of a conflict with Iran.” According to the RT report: “He made the statement at the opening of the Valdai International Discussion Club’s conference ‘Russia in the Middle East: Playing on All Fields,’ adding that tensions between Israel and Iran are escalating and there are historical reasons for that.”

Russia does not want an Israeli-Iranian war, but it does want to be the regional power that keeps the two parties from fighting. Israel evidently is beholden to Moscow after the Afrin debacle, which left the United States with no ante in Syria, as Ambassador Oren put it. The projected Kurdish Border Protection Force was the last American piece on the Syrian chessboard, and Washington abandoned it. It is hard to see what sort of leverage the United States can acquire now.

http://www.atimes.com/article/afrin-marks-point-collapse-american-influence-syria/

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The only question really left unanswered is what will be done with the Golan heights occupied by Isreal. I don't think Russia and Iran are unreasonable actors. I think they will let Israel keep the Golan Heights in the interest of not starting WWIII.

Discuss......
 
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Looks like Russia wins the natural gas reserves
 
We leave the Kurds again.

I have lost count how many times that is now.
 
This is true they have abandoned the Kurds but they have not abandoned the Eastern Euphrates deconfliction zone meaning nobody enters there except the Americans and allies..

They have a new team called ''DMC'' Made up by arab tribes on the eastern bank of the euphrates called the Deir ezzor military council. Ex- free syrian army soldiers cooperating with the US in holding the huge oil assests for mega US-companies doing the drilling.

The US ain't leaving the eastern side of the euphrates for the next decade or something. The same goes to the turks and also the israelis.

Alot of money is involved in here and there is no christmas gifts in this world. NOTE all these mentioned countries don't recognize Assad and basically view him as warlord and nor do they even talk to him but instead Russia.

The US is mainly training arab forces. I also believe Turkey would lend them more FSA forces so that the US can trench into the area even deeper
 
This is true they have abandoned the Kurds but they have not abandoned the Eastern Euphrates deconfliction zone meaning nobody enters there except the Americans and allies..

They have a new team called ''DMC'' Made up arab tribes on the eastern bank of the euphrates called the Deir ezzor military council. Ex- free syrian army soldiers cooperating with the US in holding the huge oil assests for many mega US-companies doing the drilling.

The US ain't leaving the eastern side of the euphrates for the next decade or something. The same goes to the turks and also the israelis.

I don't know about that. Atleast not if the Kurds really did just flip and align themselves with the Russians.

If you have no ground assets, you can't hold territory.

I bet US special forces in Syria have already been killed, but like Laos and Vietnam, their deaths were listed as happening in Iraq, or Afganistan.
 
I don't know about that. Atleast not if the Kurds really did just flip and align themselves with the Russians.

If you have no ground assets, you can't hold territory.

I bet US special forces in Syria have already been killed, but like Laos and Vietnam, their deaths were listed as happening in Iraq, or Afganistan.

They have ground assets both in manpower and resources. DMC number around 5000-6000 already and could double up by the next year into 20.000 and beyond..

They don't need the Kurds and never really did. They have training grounds in Al-tanf and new recruits. Tillerson-Erdogan reached an agreement. Erdogan won't cross the river anymore because he knows the DMC will take the torch from the SDF.

SDF have already started making desparate deals under the US but none of them are coming through. Example they signed a deal with SAA to enter Manjib? and that will not happen by any chance. Tillerson-Erdogan have already agreed upon the fate of Manjib
 
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This is true they have abandoned the Kurds but they have not abandoned the Eastern Euphrates deconfliction zone meaning nobody enters there except the Americans and allies..

They have a new team called ''DMC'' Made up by arab tribes on the eastern bank of the euphrates called the Deir ezzor military council. Ex- free syrian army soldiers cooperating with the US in holding the huge oil assests for mega US-companies doing the drilling.

The US ain't leaving the eastern side of the euphrates for the next decade or something. The same goes to the turks and also the israelis.

Alot of money is involved in here and there is no christmas gifts in this world. NOTE all these mentioned countries don't recognize Assad and basically view him as warlord and nor do they even talk to him but instead Russia.

The US is mainly training arab forces. I also believe Turkey would lend them more FSA forces so that the US can trench into the area even deeper

Awesome. Training arab freedom fighters to fights russians has always worked out so well for us. Every time .
 
They have ground assets but manpower and resources. DMC number around 5000-6000 already and could double up by the next year into 20.000 and beyond

But if they are kurds, they could be ordered to stand down.

Also 6000 is nothing in Syria.

They are going to try and hold the energy assets, but it is a doomed game. The russian, syrian, Iranian, kurdish alliance could literally choke them out with a siege, and not a shot fired.
 
But if they are kurds, they could be ordered to stand down.

Also 6000 is nothing in Syria.

They are going to try and hold the energy assets, but it is a doomed game. The russian, syrian, Iranian, kurdish alliance could literally choke them out with a siege, and not a shot fired.

You have 6000 DMC together with 4000 heavily armed US forces. that is 10000. and you already saw what happened when the Wagner group and Iranian militias tried to cross the river and attempting on Conoco oil-field. It was a massacre.

Next year. They could reach around 25-30k without any Kurd SDF just Arab-SDF.

Do you know even how this battle occured? The kurds tried to low ball the Americans making a deal under them without the Americans knowlegde.

The kurds wanted SAA deployed to Afrin and in return they wanted to give Conoco oil-field. The Wagner group and Iranian militias head out to claim believing the SDF-kurds ran things around there but as soon spotted by Ex-Free syrian army DMC forces they came under attack. The Americans came in and commited a massacre.

This shows you that the assests there belong to US-companies and the Kurds are very tricky in nature and tried to pull one off on their partners already but the Americans knew better and signed a team more relieble to guard the area.

There is no chance SAA will advance on that front again as DMC is there holding all the Oil and gas fields. It's in safe hands
 
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You have 6000 DMC together with 4000 heavily armed US forces. that is 10000. and you already saw what happened when the Wagner group and Iranian militias tried to cross the river and attempting on Conoco oil-field. It was a massacre.

Next year. They could reach around 25-30k without any Kurd SDF just Arab-SDF

They could have leveled that place if they wanted to, but they don't want to be accused of a massacre, or attacking US troops.

The Kurds change the game here. That is a pretty large area in Syria. You have to be able to supply those positions. How do you stop the Kurds from blockading the supply routes with 10,000?
 
Once again, our government supports and urges the Kurds, then abandons them in the final moments. What was one of the most shameful foreign policy decisions of the 20th century is now being repeated in the first quarter of the 21st century.
 
They could have leveled that place if they wanted to, but they don't want to be accused of a massacre, or attacking US troops.

The Kurds change the game here. That is a pretty large area in Syria. You have to be able to supply those positions. How do you stop the Kurds from blockading the supply routes with 10,000?

The Kurds are light armed and don't stand a chance against the US-DMC if shit were to go down on the eastern side of the Euphrates
 
The Kurds are light armed and don't stand a chance against the US-DMC if shit were to go down on the eastern side of the Euphrates


Maybe, I would say 50,000 light infantry kurds, and a few hundred pieces of Syrian armored mech would do the job though.

Also, why is the US attacking Kurds on the open road?

What is the US doing defending energy assets, from the very people whose lands the US occupies?

Legitimacy does matter.
 
Maybe, I would say 50,000 light infantry kurds, and a few hundred pieces of Syrian armored mech would do the job though.

Also, why is the US attacking Kurds on the open road. Legitimacy does matter.

The kurds won't attempt anything stupid they could be stopped very quickly hence why they don't have any say around the Oil and Gas. It's Arab-SDF and DMC backed by the US are the guardians hence why the SAA won't cross nor any Kurd deal is worth anything.

The terrain is also not a good place to take on the US forces. It's an open field hence the terrain is basically dryland and desert
 
I thought they were supplying Iran and giving them a shot .
Turkey still moving in
 
The kurds won't attempt anything stupid they could be stopped very quickly hence why they don't have any say around the Oil and Gas. It's Arab-SDF and DMC backed by the US are the guardians hence why the SAA won't cross nor any Kurd deal is worth anything.

The terrain is also not a good place to take on the US forces. It's an open field hence the terrain is basically dryland and desert

So let's discuss the legitimacy issue then.

How can the US defend attacking Kurds on open roads?

How does the US justify defending oil fields from the very people it claims to protect?

What right would the US have to clear blockades with deadly force?
 
So let's discuss the legitimacy issue then.

How can the US defend attacking Kurds on open roads?

How does the US justify defending oil fields from the very people it claims to protect?

What right would the US have to clear blockades with deadly force?

SDF territory is not only Kurdish. The SDF itself is part Arab and part kurdish. There is more arabs in that territory then Kurdish. They want to create an autonomous region and independent system free from Damascus together with DMC, Arab-SDF and Kurdish-SDF.

If one group goes rogue then they would be sorted out. But this won't happen and the kurds know that they can't sign any deal whatsever on the eastern side.

I thought they were supplying Iran and giving them a shot .
Turkey still moving in

Erdogan tried alot to move into the eastern side of the euphrates. The US-turkey were close coming into action but then they sorted out the differences last week with Tillerson-Erdogan. Erdogan won't cross the river anymore. There where some deals on Manjib. The US won't exit from Manjib either
 
SDF territory is not only Kurdish. The SDF itself is part Arab and part kurdish. There is more arabs in that territory then Kurdish. They want to create an autonomous region and independent system free from Damascus together with DMC, Arab-SDF and Kurdish-SDF.

If one group goes rogue then they would be sorted out. But this won't happen and the kurds know that they can't sign any deal whatsever on the eastern side.



Erdogan tried alot to move into the eastern side of the euphrates. The US-turkey were close coming into action but then they sorted out the differences last week with Tillerson-Erdogan. Erdogan won't cross the river anymore. There where some deals on Manjib. The US won't exit from Manjib either

Lol, the Kurds are in their land. It is only like 15% of syria, but that 15%, connects to the remaining 90% of what used to be Kurdistan.

Assad and Hussein could never break them. Good luck trying to push the Kurds around with 10,000 troops.
 
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