Breaking bearhugs and tie-ups

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by grapplers gym**, Jul 4, 2005.

  1. grapplers gym**

    grapplers gym** Banned Banned

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    If you get into a bearhug and want a surefire way to get out fast. Take your thumbs and push on the femoral nerve next to the inguinal ligament of your opponent. This will cause pain in the hips and will also cause his hips to shoot back giving you the space needed to counter with what ever move you have available...I have attached a photo of where the nerve is located at.

    http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000401/2109_f2b.jpg
     
  2. unearth

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    this does not seem like a very solid technique for getting out of a bearhug. by bearhug i take to mean someone much stronger than u is holding u with a solid grip, and u are somewhat lifted in the air, with both their arms around urs. thinking u would be able to push a pressure point on them is just some bullshit. pressure pts lol. if u can move ur hands why not punch them in their mouth?
     
  3. possenti

    possenti I knew all the rules-but the rules did not know me

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    I just pushed on my hip at that spot and tickled myself.

    No wait - ouch - there it is...

    I'll try it with a friend next time I train.
     
  4. Smorra

    Smorra Blue Belt

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    Pressure points are real and do have an effect, but it seems that those effects are grossly overestimed by many traditional martial artists, and to a lesser degree, underestimated by grapplers and MMAers, who occaisionally use them, whether they are even aware of it (e.g. framing someone's windpipe with your forearm to create space to get an underhook, such as when escaping sidemount, etc.)
       It seems to me that there is a big opportunity to integrate pressure point awareness with positional awareness (without which pressure points are nullified.) In mma, there is also room to integrate pressue point strking with general striking offense and defense. The obvious pressure points such as the eyes and groin would still need to be prohibited (although they were alowed in the early UFCs, none of the people knew both how to grapple and how to use pressure points.)
       Pressuring or striking (in mma) the nerve suggested by the original poster may be effective, if the person doing it were an experienced wrestler and took into account weather they were in a position to get thrown before they could escape, and adjusted their body to buy time to do so, and had other ways of getting out to fall back on if adrenaline caused the other person not to feel it.
       Few people who are knowlegable about pressure points are otherwise good mixed martial artists, and few good mma'ers know much about pressure points. I think as mma'ers look to get an edge and more traditional martial arts schools incorporate grappling and mma training, we will see more use of pressure points in mma. I realize they are now illegal in the UFC, but they aren't in a lot of other oranizations and I immagine they would be reallowed if they were shown to be safe and effective.
     
  5. Blake Bowman

    Blake Bowman I just blue myself...

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    if by surefire you mean "fluffy bullshit that wont work against anyone higher than a brand new blue belt" then you've got it.

    Nothing beats a crossface-swimming unders.
     
  6. grapplers gym**

    grapplers gym** Banned Banned

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    Guys,

    It works and has been used by wrestlers for years.

    Not a big deal was just offering a tip for the "Grapplers" You dont need to use it...

    And as a matter of fact I was grappling with a purple belt last week and as he went for a bear hug and i did it so it will work on everyone just need to time it right.

    THIS IS FOR GRAPPLERS NOT MMA...
     
  7. Luke1294

    Luke1294 White Belt

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    He speaks the truth, even if you dont hit that one certain nerve, you press against the inner hips and press their hips back. Hitting the nerve is a nice plus though.
     
  8. colinm

    colinm Brown Belt

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    i wont call bullshit because, honestly, i dont know shit about pressure points. but, if he is going for a bear hug over your arms, isnt he giving you double underhooks anyway?
     
  9. Milan

    Milan Green Belt

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    there are plenty more pressure points available, we'd do them all the time with ninjutsu randori
     
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    Pressure points tend to go away with enough adrenaline in your body.
     
  11. batman69

    batman69 Purple Belt

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    i just did it to myself and now i'm pissed off at myself. but in all seriousness, i discovered this by wrestling with my dog and his reaction to "tickling" that spot was to go insane. so if you want to make a happy go lucky dog a bitey dog. give that spot on them a poke.
     
  12. Milan

    Milan Green Belt

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    I don't know what i should consider more of an issue..
    Wrestling with your dog, or tickling between his rear legs...
     
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    i just did the pressure point... but didnt effect me the same. I got a hard on and came all over my drawyers. ASSHOLE put a disclaimer next time.... Now i have to clean all this shit up!
     
  14. batman69

    batman69 Purple Belt

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    it's less between a dogs legs and more right next to the front of their thigh, so more abdomen, and less crotch touching which will dissappoint some i bet. so you have never play fought with your dog? and no i didn't mean putting my dog through a series of holds. i meant the typical rough house with your dog deal.
     
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    LOL @ thinking you are going to use a pressure point in the .37 seconds you have before you are taken down and/or slammed from these positions. Being caught in a bearhug, double underhooks, or the bad end of a tie up is no time to be fucking around with teh dim mak.
     
  16. TheHighlander

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    Timing wise it's pretty much just pushing on his hips with your hands. The thumb just drives into the crease. It'll be hard to reach from a high double under unless you have really long arms. While it can give a little "boost" it's not a silver bullet and should only be used to augment good technique, not replace it.
     
  17. The Sickness

    The Sickness Ichizoku

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    Umm, when I get a tie up or a bear hug for a takedown, you aren't going to have enough time to worry about finding the right spot. You need to worry about getting tapped when we hit the ground. It's already been said, cross face or pummel...
     
  18. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    i use brute force to get out of bearhugs
     
  19. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    Are you trying to tell me that your opponent has never pushed out on your hips?
     
  20. Stoic1

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    I think what he is trying to say is that the moment will be lost if you try to find some nerve while pushing on those hips, and he would much prefer to crossface or punch you.

    I'll bet if you reach down and grab his package that his hips will move back also. It's just not something I am going to do. I think I would rather push on his face or punch him too.
     

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