Brazilian MMA going the way of Japanese MMA?

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  1. j18lee

    j18lee Brown Belt

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    With Renan Barao's recent loss to TJ Dillashaw, there's only one non-US (Brazilian) Champion left - Jose Aldo.

    Heavyweight * Cain Velasquez
    Light Heavyweight *Jon Jones
    Middleweight * Chris Weidman
    Welterweight * Johny Hendricks
    Lightweight * Anthony Pettis
    Featherweight * Jose Aldo (only Brazilian)
    Bantamweight * T.J. Dillashaw
    Flyweight * Demetrious Johnson

    W Bantamweight Ronda Rousey

    Just one champion before the current ones, Brazilian MMA had JDS as champ at Heavyweight, Shogun Rua at LHW, Anderson Silva at MW and Renan Barao. That was 5 out of 8 champs being Brazilian!

    At the contender level besides former champs JDS and Renan Barao, the only Brazilian top contenders are Fabricio Werdum, Lyoto Machida, Jacare Souza, Raphael Assuncao and Vitor Belfort. That's pretty much it in all 8 divisions! (or 9 if you count WBW)

    Is the fact that MMA has gotten so popular in the US that we won't be seeing many Brazilian champions in the future? Seems like Brazilian MMA is going the way of Japanese MMA - no longer competitive with the US.
     
  2. Substance Abuse

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  3. Rusk

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    I think its because of training camps, US got great camps.
     
  4. Total Immortal

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    Don't speak too soon, Machida and Gus both have really good shots at becoming champs in the near future. Werdum is always dangerous as well.
     
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    Substance Abuse Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    I think it's because Brazil has a smaller population and it's inhabitants have less money. Not everyone can afford to train BJJ. It's probably easier for kids to get into wrestling in the US than it is for kids in Brazil to start training BJJ.

    USA has 300 million people. Brazil about 190.

    Oh ...

    And there are top Brazilian contenders in the UFC right now.

    So this OP is kind of invalid.
     
  6. Pliny Pete

    Pliny Pete Puts Butts In Seats

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    Just because theres no Brazilian champs at the moment Brazilian MMA is dying
    Was US MMA dying when most champs were Brazilian?
    Everyday the Chicken Littles on this site find somethng new to overreact to
     
  7. Lucifer Alpha

    Lucifer Alpha The Catastrophe

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    No longer competitive? Pretty sure there's a Brazilian in the top 10 of every weight class.
     
  8. AKS1

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    Since the UFC has gained a monopoly of elite MMA competition, the rules have favored wrestling pretty heavily. The US tends to be a powerhouse in wrestling. I'd expect to see US MMA fighters to do pretty well as a result.
     
  9. Toothless King

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    um, what??


    Pan Am and BJJ Worlds championship are dominated by the Brazilians even though both events take place in California.

    I'd say it has more to do with the fact that wrestling is much better for MMA than BJJ.

    I'm pretty sure you are speaking out of your ass this time.
     
  10. CRuck1980

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    Outside if a couple guys, was Japan ever that dominant in MMA? Even during the pride days, it was heavy with Brazil guys
     
  11. Substance Abuse

    Substance Abuse Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    Cool, wrestling is dominated by Americans.
     
  12. Le Fisticuffs

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    This.

    There are tons of Brazilian fighters who are TOP 10 and higher.
     
  13. LoRenx

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    Don't count out Fabio Maldonado thru.
     
  14. BrazilianDude

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    I doubt we will ever be ahead of the US, but I don't think we will fall as badly as Japan did either.
     
  15. yookfarb

    yookfarb Red Belt

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    Even during JMMA's heydey, Brazilian MMA was still vastly superior to all but the Americans.

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    Sorry, but Brazil is far too violent of a country for MMA not to be huge over there. Even if it dies in the mainstream(which I seriously doubt), the country will always produce talent.
     
  16. Iron Leg

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    Funny, because I saw a thread on Sherdog arguing the exact opposite a year or two ago: That guy's argument was that Americans have more money, therefore they are more comfortable, have greater opportunity, and are "soft" as a result. Americans, according to him, lack the toughness of Brazilians who develop the strength to become the best fighters out of desperation and need to survive. He said Brazilians were destined to dominate the sport and Americans were doomed to be left in the dust.

    The arguments have flown both ways.

    Now to be clear, I personally don't agree with EITHER of these viewpoints. I think there's plenty of room for top fighters to develop out of both countries, and both countries have their rich and their poor. Both countries have large enough populations and active enough MMA communities to produce top fighters. We have seen top fighters who have emerged from many different life circumstances and nationalities. You also see it not just in MMA but other sports as well.
     
  17. surgeyou1

    surgeyou1 Welcome to the Machida Era...Part Deux

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    No it is very cyclical. Just like how the Americans are learning and grasping BJJ earlier than before, the next generation of Brazilians will be training wrestling earlier into their career.
     
  18. Toothless King

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    yeah, i remember that post. it came from a Brazilian nonetheless
     
  19. Lucifer Alpha

    Lucifer Alpha The Catastrophe

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    Good for TJ but Brazil is still doing pretty well at 135.

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  20. DF1983

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    Interesting points here..
     

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