Media Brain Shaw says he’d beat Dustin in a real fight

[Söze Aldo]

The crazy part is there's actually people who'd pick Cejudo to win against Brian Shaw in a fight lol . Shaw kills Cejudo tho, the size difference is too much imo

I believe Brian holds the keg toss world record. If he could catch Henry he could literally launch the guy.

 

[mkess101]

For those who think Shaw beats Dustin in a fight (and I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily)--I wonder where the consensus is (only among those who'd pick Shaw) where the size and strength discrepancy ceases to be enough.

In other words, I'd imagine most of you (if not all) think that Aspinall at 265 lbs would beat the absolute dogshit out of Shaw. Okay. How about Ankalaev? DDP or Khamzat? JDM or Shavkat?

I'd be interested to know where generally people think the cutoff is.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

For those who think Shaw beats Dustin in a fight (and I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily)--I wonder where the consensus is (only among those who'd pick Shaw) where the size and strength discrepancy ceases to be enough.

In other words, I'd imagine most of you (if not all) think that Aspinall at 265 lbs would beat the absolute dogshit out of Shaw. Okay. How about Ankalaev? DDP or Khamzat? JDM or Shavkat?

I'd be interested to know where generally people think the cutoff is.

I think DDP and Khamzat would handle him. Below that it gets very tough....

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Mark Henry said he was confident he could hold Kurt Angle if he allowed him to get a form bear hug on him. Kurt was still able to escape within. A couple of seconds.

Brian Shaw is apparently stronger than Mark Henry, but the point remains.

Kurt Angle is an Olympic gold medalist and he isn't a small guy himself. Juice to the tits too.

 

[Söze Aldo]

For those who think Shaw beats Dustin in a fight (and I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily)--I wonder where the consensus is (only among those who'd pick Shaw) where the size and strength discrepancy ceases to be enough.

In other words, I'd imagine most of you (if not all) think that Aspinall at 265 lbs would beat the absolute dogshit out of Shaw. Okay. How about Ankalaev? DDP or Khamzat? JDM or Shavkat?

I'd be interested to know where generally people think the cutoff is.

I think any fighter who walks around 200 lbs and above would give the works to Brian. So most Middleweights and up.

 

[HuskySamoan]

It all really comes down to cardio. If he can corner Dustin and wildly pummel him to death or grab ahold of him and strangle him in the first 2-4 minutes, then sure hed probably win. After that? Dustin likely kills him. We kinda saw this shit in Pride and early UFC already, dont get me wrong Shaw is his own beast but eh. Certainly once you get to like MW sized guys, they'd obliterate Shaw and the likes...say a Joe Pyfer type.

 

[loisestrad]

Biggest fight in the sport today?

 

[TheUltraCasual]

No clue who this is. Was thinking of Brian Stann when I clicked it and wondered what pissed him off.

Funny to see Bradley Martin back to his usual talking points when Islam isn't in the studio though. He only weighed 259 that day.

World class powerlifter who weighs like 400 LBS

 

[piropiro]

For those who think Shaw beats Dustin in a fight (and I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily)--I wonder where the consensus is (only among those who'd pick Shaw) where the size and strength discrepancy ceases to be enough.

In other words, I'd imagine most of you (if not all) think that Aspinall at 265 lbs would beat the absolute dogshit out of Shaw. Okay. How about Ankalaev? DDP or Khamzat? JDM or Shavkat?

I'd be interested to know where generally people think the cutoff is.

Obviously it’s not just size but a mix of size, strength, athleticism, resilience, etc.

So if we are talking about elite strongmen competitors, therefore not just random “big guys” but absolute outliers in all the above parameters, IMO pro fighters under 200 pounds would have big problems and under 170-180 would almost certainly lose.

Elite strongmen can literally pick up and toss super awkward 400 pounds stones … if they grab hold of a 170-180 pounds man with bad intentions, it’s not going to be good.

I think a lot of the sparring footage we see is “compromised” because it’s kind of like an adult training with a child, they have to be careful not to accidentally hurt them just by awkwardly landing on them or cranking something with a tiny bit too much strength. Tangling with a guy like that just for fun can pop a shoulder or tweak a knee just by falling the wrong way.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

For those who think Shaw beats Dustin in a fight (and I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily)--I wonder where the consensus is (only among those who'd pick Shaw) where the size and strength discrepancy ceases to be enough.

In other words, I'd imagine most of you (if not all) think that Aspinall at 265 lbs would beat the absolute dogshit out of Shaw. Okay. How about Ankalaev? DDP or Khamzat? JDM or Shavkat?

I'd be interested to know where generally people think the cutoff is.

I think good MWs would typically get it done. Maybe a few of the bigger WWs too.

 

[mkess101]

Obviously it’s not just size but a mix of size, strength, athleticism, resilience, etc.

So if we are talking about elite strongmen competitors, therefore not just random “big guys” but absolute outliers in all the above parameters, IMO pro fighters under 200 pounds would have big problems and under 170-180 would almost certainly lose.

Elite strongmen can literally pick up and toss super awkward 400 pounds stones … if they grab hold of a 170-180 pounds man with bad intentions, it’s not going to be good.

I think a lot of the sparring footage we see is “compromised” because it’s kind of like an adult training with a child, they have to be careful not to accidentally hurt them just by awkwardly landing on them or cranking something with a tiny bit too much strength. Tangling with a guy like that just for fun can pop a shoulder or tweak a knee just by falling the wrong way.

I agree on the grappling side. Pure bulk and all time strength matters a ton. Less skilled guys with some training can just brute force their way into positions and do damage quickly.

It's getting to that spot without having their face bashed in with strikes by smaller guys who've are the best in the world at doing that and avoiding spots where they can be grabbed that's the question. It takes energy to try to corner a much faster and more agile guy. Then that guy busts your nose and now breathing is even more difficult, etc. There are a lot of factors.

 

[piropiro]

I agree on the grappling side. Pure bulk and all time strength matters a ton. Less skilled guys with some training can just brute force their way into positions and do damage quickly.

It's getting to that spot without having their face bashed in with strikes by smaller guys who've are the best in the world at doing that and avoiding spots where they can be grabbed that's the question. It takes energy to try to corner a much faster and more agile guy. Then that guy busts your nose and now breathing is even more difficult, etc. There are a lot of factors.

Agree, however having sparred many times with a 7 foot guy who trained for year at my old gym - who by the way was absolutely not very athletic at all, in fact rather uncoordinated - getting to the head with power isn't easy just due to sheer distance and reach (basically his arms range was further than my kicking range and I'm 5'11" so not short), plus hands the size of my head and feet the size of my arms make it awkward for a much smaller guy to get past even fairly rudimentary defence.

Also I would imagine a Shaw or Haftor not chasing a small guy and getting gassed, but rather just standing and waiting for him to come within grabbing or smashing range ... they would realize that running around a cage trying to corner a small agile guy would inevitably leave them spent and vulnerable.

 

[mkess101]

Agree, however having sparred many times with a 7 foot guy who trained for year at my old gym - who by the way was absolutely not very athletic at all, in fact rather uncoordinated - getting to the head with power isn't easy just due to sheer distance and reach (basically his arms range was further than my kicking range and I'm 5'11" so not short), plus hands the size of my head and feet the size of my arms make it awkward for a much smaller guy to get past even fairly rudimentary defence.

Also I would imagine a Shaw or Haftor not chasing a small guy and getting gassed, but rather just standing and waiting for him to come within grabbing or smashing range ... they would realize that running around a cage trying to corner a small agile guy would inevitably leave them spent and vulnerable.

I'm 6'2" and I think the tallest guy at our gym was 6'5" so it's hard for me to know first hand how difficult it is to hit a much much bigger guy. Add in that I was a grappler and my striking wasn't...spectacular LOL (it wasn't very good--at least compared to most of our other real fighters) and yeah I just don't know. With someone like Dustin being in the 1% of strikers...it's hard to qualify how easily he'd be able to close distance quick and land and then get away before being grabbed. He's so much better than anyone I was ever in the gym with and Shaw is so much bigger and stronger...it's just guessing.

If we're talking about a Shaw or the Mountain or something just "sitting and waiting"....might be a boring night haha. Hard to see a 180 lb guy like Dustin rushing in on a mammoth dude that's just waiting for him to do it. Could just be a staring contest haha.

 

[Rio Ferdinand]

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

When you're fighting for real, you're going to take shots to places that you never knew could hurt so much.

Thats what separates the MMA fighters from the amateurs. Pain tolerance is a HUGE part of it.

So is cardio. This guy would gas out in 30 seconds trying to unload or wrestle. If in that 30 second window he doesn't win, its over.

Just go look at Eddie Hall, Brock Lesnar or Bob Sapp as examples.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

When you're fighting for real, you're going to take shots to places that you never knew could hurt so much.

Thats what separates the MMA fighters from the amateurs. Pain tolerance is a HUGE part of it.

So is cardio. This guy would gas out in 30 seconds trying to unload or wrestle. If in that 30 second window he doesn't win, its over.

Just go look at Eddie Hall, Brock Lesnar or Bob Sapp as examples.

Examples of what, Brock had excellent cardio and a great chin, but yes he reacted badly to big strikes.

Bob Sapp had incredible success considering his lack of skill, AND his lack of grit like you mentioned. His cardio was actually not bad at all when he was young considering his size and muscle mass. It took him a long time to gas vs Nog and he was able to pull off those wild flurries against Hoost.

Eddie Hall? What has he shown so far? He actually showed a ton of heart vs Hafthor, he fought and survived the entire match with ONE ARM. I actually think he destroys Hafthor in a rematch if they were to box again.

But I do agree that we have no idea what Shaw would be like until he fights, he might be like late career Sapp or he might be a giant Diaz brother for all we know.

 

[loisestrad]

Look at what Eddie Hall did to Pudzianowski.

That would be the exact same thing, Brian Shaw would do to Pourier.

 

[Söze Aldo]

I think a lot of the sparring footage we see is “compromised” because it’s kind of like an adult training with a child, they have to be careful not to accidentally hurt them just by awkwardly landing on them or cranking something with a tiny bit too much strength. Tangling with a guy like that just for fun can pop a shoulder or tweak a knee just by falling the wrong way.

The Conor vs Hafthor "The Mountain" Bjornsorn "spar" was a good example of that. Conor was actually slapping the guy, but you could tell Hafthor was doing everything he could to control himself.

Some people still watch that and use it to claim Conor could beat him in a real fight.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Fookin nark. What happenz in teh gym stayz in teh gym.

Teh guy must be 300lbz ffs maybe he could've but you don't make a name for yourself by talking shit about a big name you were in teh gym with while fooking around. I FIND IT VERY LIKELY DUSTIN WASN'T BLASTING HIM FULL ON EITHER. This whole narrative is Fookin' bullshit... Dustin would died him in a real fight because teh big, low cardio fookeh would've been Dustined oop in a real fight had teh hot sauce been on teh table.

 

[chardog]

I think DDP and Khamzat would handle him. Below that it gets very tough....

you can add shavkat to the list

 

[AndrewGolota48]

The Conor vs Hafthor "The Mountain" Bjornsorn "spar" was a good example of that. Conor was actually slapping the guy, but you could tell Hafthor was doing everything he could to control himself.

Some people still watch that and use it to claim Conor could beat him in a real fight.

Yeah some people don't know what they're looking at, it's weird. I was the biggest Conor fanboy around and I could see the reality that Hafthor was holding back and there's nothing Conor could do in reality to stop him from closing the distance and crushing him.

Even Hafthor vs Gunnar, which is a much closer matchup due to Gunnar's grappling and additional size, he was holding back in certain positions to avoid injuring Gunnar, however I do believe that Gunnar could actually threaten Hafthor in an MMA match, but he would lose more times than not.

Once you get to like a prime Yoel Romero, Hafthor gets slaughtered.