Boy are they trying to pin this Benoit tragedy on steroids...

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Incoming congressional hearings. Who will think of the children?!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2919341


ATLANTA -- Federal drug agents raided the office of a doctor who prescribed testosterone to pro wrestler Chris Benoit, who killed his wife and son and hanged himself, authorities said Thursday.


The raid at Dr. Phil Astin's office in Carrollton, Ga. began Wednesday night and concluded early Thursday, said agent Chuvalo Truesdell, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration. The search warrant had been obtained in connection with the Chris Benoit investigation, he said.


Hours before the raid, Astin told The Associated Press he had treated Benoit for low testosterone levels, which he said likely originated from previous steroid use.

Among other things, investigators were looking for Benoit's medical records to see if he had been prescribed steroids and, if so, whether that prescription was appropriate, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because records in the case remain sealed.


No arrests were made and Truesdell was unable to say what was seized. He said records were among the items being sought, but he could not be more specific.


Astin did not return repeated calls to his cell phone from The Associated Press on Thursday.


Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit, a longtime friend, in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed when Benoit visited his office Friday.


Benoit strangled his wife Nancy and smothered his 7-year-old son Daniel during the weekend, placing Bibles next to their bodies, before hanging himself on the cable of a weight-machine in his home, authorities said. No motive was offered for the killings, which were discovered Monday.



Steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs played a role in the slayings. Some experts believe steroids cause paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."


A "closed" sign hung on the front door of Astin's office Thursday. On the side door was another sign which read: "Our office is closed until further notice and Dr. Astin cannot be reached for comment."


Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said in a statement Thursday that he could not immediately comment on the raid.


Also Thursday, Ballard told the AP that 10 empty beer cans were found in a trash can in the Benoit home. An empty wine bottle was found a few feet from where Benoit hanged himself, Ballard said.


It could take several weeks for toxicology tests to be completed on Benoit to see what medications, if any, were in his system.


Benoit took four months off from work in 2006 for undisclosed personal reasons, WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt said.


"He was feeling depressed, that kind of thing," McDevitt said.


In the days before the killings, Benoit and his wife argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded 7-year-old son, according to an attorney for the WWE wrestling league.


The child suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism.


Earlier Thursday, WWE owner Vince McMahon urged people not to assume that steroids played a role in the murder-suicide.


McMahon, speaking on NBC's "Today" show, said toxicology results were needed to answer questions surrounding the death of Benoit.

"There's no way, quite frankly, that we, or the media -- it's all speculation until the toxicology reports come back," McMahon said. "It's all speculation."


Toxicology test results may not be available for weeks or even months, Ballard has said.


The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., was quick to dismiss the idea, issuing a news release Tuesday saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs, the WWE said.


No motive has been offered for the killings.


The couple argued in the days before the slayings over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded son, said McDevitt.


He said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.


He also said Benoit's wife didn't want him to quit wrestling, but she "wanted him to be at home more to care for the kid. She'd say she can't take care of him by herself when he was on the road."

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
 
I think it is rediculous how much they are insinuating that the steroids caused the murders/suicides. There always needs to be controversy with every tragedy I guess.
 
I think it is rediculous how much they are insinuating that the steroids caused the murders/suicides. There always needs to be controversy with every tragedy I guess.

I agree. Blaming roids is like saying the dog ate my homework. It's just stupid.
 
The fact of the matter is that it is not that simple, either way. To say it was the steroids, flat out, bar none, is something that we cannot ever know. In reality, it was a combination of a lot of things. Having a mentally handicapped child is a source of stress that most cannot fathom. I don't know his personal family/medical history when it comes to bipolar, depression, psychotic behavior and the like.
One thing I do know is the effect that heavy steroid abuse has on people. I'm not talking about weedend warriors, or the guys that have tried it a few times, or even the young juice head that's been doing it for a year or two. I'm talking about heavy, long term using meat head monsters (Chris Benoit clearly fits into this category) Steroids straight up fuck with your mind. Guys that stay clean for extendeded time peroids are totally different people than when they are on cycles. Complete Jeckyl and Hyde.
To say the steroid abuse has nothing to do with the murder/sucicide is a fallacy, because clearly they played some role. How big of a role we will never know...
 
The fact of the matter is that it is not that simple, either way. To say it was the steroids, flat out, bar none, is something that we cannot ever know. In reality, it was a combination of a lot of things. Having a mentally handicapped child is a source of stress that most cannot fathom. I don't know his personal family/medical history when it comes to bipolar, depression, psychotic behavior and the like.
One thing I do know is the effect that heavy steroid abuse has on people. I'm not talking about weedend warriors, or the guys that have tried it a few times, or even the young juice head that's been doing it for a year or two. I'm talking about heavy, long term using meat head monsters (Chris Benoit clearly fits into this category) Steroids straight up fuck with your mind. Guys that stay clean for extendeded time peroids are totally different people than when they are on cycles. Complete Jeckyl and Hyde.
To say the steroid abuse has nothing to do with the murder/sucicide is a fallacy, because clearly they played some role. How big of a role we will never know...

I agree with your points on stress and having a retarded child. But to say that steroids clearly played some roll can contain just as much fallacy as saying they didn
 
The problem is that no one will ever be able to definitively say that "steroids played absolutely no part in this". And that, unfortunatly, is enough for most people to continue demonizing steroids.
 
This story is "political fuel for the fire" nothing less nothing more. Can anyone say "scapegoat" excuse for a guy who was really fucked up? Steroids may or may not have played a role in this case, but you can't pin it all on that. Then again people only hear/read/comprehend what they want to.
 
This story is "political fuel for the fire" nothing less nothing more. Can anyone say "scapegoat" excuse for a guy who was really fucked up? Steroids may or may not have played a role in this case, but you can't pin it all on that. Then again people only hear/read/comprehend what they want to.

I dont care whether he was roid ragin or not. What pisses me off is that when something like this happen, the press is so quick to place the blame on whatever is "hot" in the news.
 
I'm talking about heavy, long term using meat head monsters (Chris Benoit clearly fits into this category) Steroids straight up fuck with your mind. Guys that stay clean for extendeded time peroids are totally different people than when they are on cycles. Complete Jeckyl and Hyde.

There is no scientific evidence that backs this, as all of the studies that confirm the existence of behavioral changes due to testosterone increase are flawed on two principals.

1) Most of them are animal studies.

2) The human studies do not account for psychological profiles of the user BEFORE taking anabolics. So there was no way of knowing who was already crazy or not.

Not to mention that there's some problems with the idea that "juice did it" in this case.

A) Benoit had used anabolics for more than 20 years. Why did his Son and wife survive 10 years of marriage and 7 years of life?

B) It would take an obscene amount of misdosing to cause a man to murder someone one day, someone else, the next day, then himself the following day.

C) His physician saw him the day before the incident, and said he seemed fine.

The Media is just doing what's "sexy"...which is hate big strong people. If he was big and strong, he must have been evil. He MAY have been evil, but here's what I posted in the Pro Wrestling thread here as to why he MAY have been evil:

Here's some food for thought. I told BB last night I was hearing some odd things in the Wrestler's Commentary on the RAW tribute. Odd to me because I've studied psychology.

If anyone's taken abnormal psych you've probably heard of a group of people who have a specific psychosis that are known as "Family Annihilators." These people (more often men, but also women, like those who try to drown themselves and their children) live in constant extreme fear of rejection and abandonment. So much so they appear somewhat cold or withdrawn. Most often what triggers the extreme Act, is what they perceive to be the the imminent threat of abandonment or break up of the Family. So say, if the person received a phone call to the tune of "I'm leaving you and taking our child with me and you'll never see us again"...or something of the like...

Now, they also tend to be extreme control freaks. Their Families have to be perfect in every way (what perked my ears during the RAW tribute was how the other Wrestlers described the children), or it can trigger their outbursts. This thing isn't as uncommon as people like to believe, and it can often be confused by the appearance of a possible crime of passion.

It kinda hurts me to type this, but it's something I've read about in-depth. The ONLY thing that still makes me question wether or not this could be true of Benoit is that these people, these "Family Annihilators" usually have pretty definitive Histories of violent behavior towards their Families. Some of them even go through a couple of Families before they get caught or something happens like they take their own life.

That said, another defining characteristic of this form of psychosis is that the person can appear very well-centered in most other facets of their lives. It's usually only the Families that know about their true selves, and often times they give the person the benefit of the doubt until it's too late.
 
Great post, KK.

The fact that the killings (including the suicide) were over a few days, the wife was found with her hands bound & tied, bibles placed by their bodies, etc... doesn't sound like any form of a rage act. It seemed planned to some extent, possibly out of fear such as in the KK's quote. I just can't see steroids having anything to do with it. As Bacon alluded to... no one can prove that steroids didn't play a part in this act so the media will run with their love to bash the evils of steroids.
 
Yep, great post KK. Definitely pre-meditated.
 
After what KK posted, I remembered reading this"

"The Journal-Constitution also reported that Benoit and his wife went through a difficult period after their marriage in 2000. Nancy Benoit petitioned for protection against domestic abuse as part of a 2003 divorce filing -- describing her husband as a "threat." In May 2003, a judge granted a restraining order, but both were dismissed upon Nancy Benoit's request three months later."

Complete article: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1
 
If you are a asshole, they make you a bigger asshole, if you are mellow then there is no effect. My ex always said she could never tell when I was on test. Now tren is a whole other matter. But anyways, if they found cocaine, would they come out and say it? No of course not, but ever since Barry Bonds and Bush's failed war on terror, he has to have some sort of vendetta to make it look like he is winning a war on something.
 
Funny thing about Bonds, has anyone payed attention to how the OTHER ATHLETES speak of Barry? They always wish him the best and say they hope he breaks the record. Wanna know why? Because every single one of them has "cheated" at one point or another so there's not going to be any "fuck that douchebag" or anything the jealous couch potato Joe Nobodies say.

But I digress. Coach is right, the philosophy on anabolics and "roid rage" among people in-the-know is that they'll bring out your TRUE personality. But it's not the drug's effects on the brain. It's the psychological effect being bigger, stronger, and being AWARE of it have on the brain.
 
Everyone's a pharmacology expert when shit like this happens. The everyday person needs something to blame for shit like this, and roids are the easiest target.

I love listening to the people talk about steroids.

The Bonds thing is hilarious, people honestly think that he's one of only a handful of pro ball players on the juice, gimme a fucking break.
 
Funny thing about Bonds, has anyone payed attention to how the OTHER ATHLETES speak of Barry? They always wish him the best and say they hope he breaks the record. Wanna know why? Because every single one of them has "cheated" at one point or another so there's not going to be any "fuck that douchebag" or anything the jealous couch potato Joe Nobodies say.

A lot of guys back Bonds, but there have been a fair share that have come out and ripped him up. Schilling tore him to shreds in an interview a few months back.


On topic, I think the guy just went nuts. Steroids may have had something to do with this, but they aren't to blame IMO.
 
The only thing ever attributed to steroids and this kind of behavior is quitting them cold turkey then taking anti-depressants. That's usually a perscription for suicide, but because of the nature of anti-depressants versus the nature of anabolics.

About Schilling, I'd like to have a look at what he uses to remain healthy.
 
The only thing ever attributed to steroids and this kind of behavior is quitting them cold turkey then taking anti-depressants. That's usually a perscription for suicide, but because of the nature of anti-depressants versus the nature of anabolics.
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And I'm sure Benoit was taking both. I'm guessing toxicology results will come back with Benoit showing elevated Test. His doctor said he'd prescribed him anabolics because his body was producing low test naturally. These wrestlers seem to do a shitload of drugs.
 
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