Boxing vs Muay Thai as a Striking Base in MMA

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  1. horc00

    horc00 Brown Belt

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    Are you saying Max is a boxer??? Because...

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    To those confidently quoting examples of MMA "boxers", do the fighters you mentioned never kicked? Do they even shin-check? Because... you know... kicking and shin-checking aren't exactly boxing moves... fyi
     
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  2. NoSmilez

    NoSmilez Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    The logic here is silly. If a kickboxer punches more than he is a boxer?
     
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    People who can't tell the difference between boxing and kickboxing apart from which limbs they use are trying to argue in this thread, lol
     
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  4. AndrewGolota48

    AndrewGolota48 Silver Belt

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    At first I agreed with you, but then after watching JDS vs Overeem, Cogar vs TJ, and Jones vs Gus 2, I changed my mind.
     
  5. JKD sanda

    JKD sanda Orange Belt

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    Bring back Thai-esque rules
     
  6. TGArthur

    TGArthur You can't lose if you win the fight.

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    Wasn't it Gamebred's nasty Muy Thai leg kicks to the body that opened Till up for the head shot?
     
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  7. TGArthur

    TGArthur You can't lose if you win the fight.

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    This. His kicks are what really set up the finish IMHO. Those kicks were really nasty.
     
  8. TidWell

    TidWell Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    What does their background base have to do with the way the fight was fought?

    Rose head coach is a boxing trainer, they focused on her hands and boxing for that fight, JJ also has great boxing she has amateur boxing bouts and knows how to box.

    Rose didnt have a boxing background but her boxing won her that fight and improved her as a fighter she used to be a karate style point karate fighter, but then she started using boxing technique from head movement, slips, counters, footwork, and sitting on her counters.
     
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  9. TidWell

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    I think keeping boxing as your primary base with the kicks as a secondary is the best, thats what Max uses and most of these top level strikers they have great boxing first but then will throw a kick in there to fall back on and check them.
     
  10. MescalineDreams

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    i think boxing is something you need to learn how to do properly from the get go

    additions In style from traditional martial arts, muay thai can always be incorporated later or along side.

    boxing is something you need to learn from a proper trainer to begin with though, otherwise the bad habits In hands learned from other disciplines will catch up to you..and they can be very difficult to erase.

    MMA will always be a mix of styles. Starting exclusively with Muay thai seems to have more of a downside due to the holes created In the boxing. If you start with boxing, It's far easier to incorporate muay thai / traditional martial arts knowledge without issue compared to the other way around.
     
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  11. RubberGuard420

    RubberGuard420 Banned Banned

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    Very few MMA fighters do real Muay Thai.

    Anderson Silva is primarily a Muay Thai fighter. Barboza is a Muay Thai fighter, but he doesn't incorporate the Thai clinch into his game at all.

    Jose Aldo has been mentioned a few times in this thread, but he has a Dutch Kickboxing style not Muay Thai.
     
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  12. Shrewms

    Shrewms Banned Banned

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    Striking base goes to Boxing, but clinching is where Muay Thai beats out boxing.
     
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  13. MescalineDreams

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    he is quite good defensively to his credit. He's very good at utilizing his reach / distance to avoid damage.
     
  14. Better Every Day

    Better Every Day Zhang finishing Andrade avatar Platinum Member

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    The thread title specifically focuses on "striking base". Generally, this idea of a base in MMA deals with the first martial art mastered, does it not? Having a wrestling base, for example, means a fighter started out as a wrestler, no? But it doesn't preclude training BJJ heavily after that, does it? Maybe I'm wrong in how I interpret the usage of the word "base"?
     
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    Boxing is much more effective in my opinion. It's obviously better to have both, but boxing is crucial if you're trying to find any success in MMA.
     
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    Plenty of boxing backround fighters eat dirt or end up using mma way of keeping distance. Madvidal is traditional Musy Thai fighter and uses hand techniques every Thai coach encourages. From professional boxing you could take away stuff that isn't beneficial in mma like high front guard or excessive leaning forward. Lastly boxing encourages work on different muscle groups and so grappling and kicks are undermined.
     
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    More weapons make for a better fighter, especially in MMA.
    Do the math.
     
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  18. GordoBarraBJJ

    GordoBarraBJJ Steel Belt

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    They're not Muay Thai fighters. Many say Muay Thai but very few are even close to being Muay Thai.
     
  19. GordoBarraBJJ

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    Except Jose has some of the best boxing in MMA.

    That was more of a guy with an iron chin and will outlasting an explosive power puncher.
     
  20. James L

    James L on a cloud among many others

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    All striking styles require being smart with everyone of your body parts, whether or not you're allowed to strike with them.

    If you learn how to be a competent boxer in a boxing ring, competition or sparring

    A competent Nak Muay or Nak Muay Farang when you compete or spar Muay Thai

    & follow the same mindset with No-Gi Jiu Jitsu, as well as Freestyle & Greco Roman wrestling...

    Guess what? You've been attending classes and training sessions at a MMA Gym that has a diverse and respectable coaching staff, just like every MMA Gym should. You also might be ignoring live MMA rules sparring if you have only been isolating the arts like a weirdo, lmao.


    The best striking base is proper Muay Thai (out of Thailand & Netherlands, both NOT either/or) and the best grappling base is Submission Wrestling by default because the pure wrestler vs pure jiu jitsu debate is dumb af, it should be Submission Wrestling vs Jiu Jitsu debate, pure wrestlers have shit submission defense and offense so it's basically a debate made up of dick swinging
     
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