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How can Pacquiao take Cotto's welterweight title when they fought at a catchweight?

5 weight champ my ass.
 
Cotto didn't have to weigh 145 if he didn't want to. He could have come at 147 and just paid the fine. You think those 2 pound would have altered the result?
 
i won't take anything away from pac's win, but the belts and sanctioning bodies are basically pointless. they probably allowed it because of the money they'd see. i think they tax beltholders. manny meeting at specific weights and bypassing the belts probably took a toll on them.
 
If either of them came in over the 145 catchweight, the fight would have still taken place and for the belt.
 
WW is not strictly 147. Its anything above JWW limit and below the the JMW minimum. If you weigh 145, you're still a welterweight.
ITs a welter weight title, not a 147 title.
 
Oh yeah! Thanks for clearing that up Seano.

I still think that fighting at 145 could have benefited Pacquiao. Anyway, why would Cotto want to fight at that weight when he has been a full blown welterweight for that long.
 
Chrisdude said:
he is a 6 1/2 weight Champion
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No he is not, unless you're one of those mindless pawns that the sanctioning bodies appreciate so much in their efforts to completely contradict the whole term of what an actual "world championship" means.
 
pulpduff said:
7 weight, lip 'o' hair.
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from esb.com

Carlos L. (Miami Lakes, FL): Can you please clarify. I continue to hear that Pacquiao is now 7-time world champion in 7 different weight divisions, but I have also read that he is now 5-time world champion in 5 different weight divisions. What's the truth?

Vivek W. (ESB): This is yet another one of those topics which will be widely debated between Pacquiao supporters and Pacquiao critics until the end of time. The issue here is that Pacquiao has won a number of titles, but a hand full were not legitimate on the world stage. When you look at Oscar De La Hoya's accomplishment of winning 10 world titles in 6 different weight classes, it can be duly noted that every single strap he ever won was in fact a world title. In the case of Pacquiao, only 5 have been world titles, the other two were more regional. In example, the OPBF (Oriental Pacific Boxing Federation) strap, among others, have never been and perhaps will never be viewed as legitimate straps on a global scale. To be perfectly honest, even the IBO strap that he won against Hatton fails to meet the mark, which is why it doesn't show up on the charts. When you look at regional straps like the OPBF title he won many years ago, it's like an N.F.L. team winning the conference, but failing to win the superbowl. It gives superior value, but only over a certain level of opposition, not the entire realm of competition.

The only factual statements that I can make relative to this question is that WBC president, Jose Sulaiman, who as we know is a HUGE Pacquiao supporter, stated prior to this fight that "Pacquiao is a 4-time world champion in 4 different weight divisions, not 5, or 6". With this recent victory, the only WORLD TITLE'S Pacquiao is currently given full credit for is the WBC Flyweight strap, the IBF Super-Bantamweight strap, the WBC Super-Featherweight strap, the WBC Lightweight strap, and now, the WBO welterweight strap. The Ring title and the OPBF strap, among others, are recognized accomplishments, but not ones for the official books. If we are to count the Ring titles that Pacquiao has received as an official world title, we need to recount Floyd's numbers, Oscar's, and many others, because somehow those efforts never made their current world title count list. Oscar's 10 world titles were all sanctioned organizations, not including his Ring titles. So, the best way to address the Pacquiao scenario would be to say he's a 7-time champion in 7 different weight divisions, but a 5-time WORLD CHAMPION in 5 different weight classes. The ring belt is not a sanctioned strap, and has no governing body. Anything less than world dominance by a sanctioned organization isn't categorically considered dominant enough for the books that count.
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Actually, I don't believe there is a minimum weight to be a welterweight, just a maximum.

You can't weight more than 147 pounds at the weigh in.

But if you show up and weight even under the Junior Welter Weight limit (say you weigh in at 140 even) you would NOT be disqualified and are allowed to fight.
 
CEROVFC said:
Actually, I don't believe there is a minimum weight to be a welterweight, just a maximum.


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Pretty sure there is.If you weigh 138, you're not a welterweight. Even in the old days, fighters had to beef up to over the previous weight classes limit.
 
I believe that the state athletic commisisons, for safety reasons, do not allow fighters to have a large discrepancy in weights. Which means if you come in at way below the opponent's weight, the commission can cancel the fighter.


Of course, back in the day a 133 lb Henry Armstrong won the Welterweight title.
 
From Sport Illustrated article:

• Weigh-ins are usually anticlimactic, but this one could be interesting. That's because Roach believes if Cotto comes in one pound over the agreed-upon 145-pound catchweight, he will push to cancel the fight. Weight was an issue in the Marquez-Mayweather fight after Mayweather came in two pounds over the agreed limit. That fight went forward after Mayweather paid Marquez an extra $600,000. Roach says money won't be enough if Cotto doesn't make the weight. "I'd tell him to go lose it," said Roach.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...quiao.preview/
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147 pounds is the limit and anything between 141-147 would make it a ww fight, but had cotto weighed in at 147 and the fight was canceled, it would've been a 145 pound fight instead of a ww fight. i couldn't find what was in their contract, but i think roach was firm in keeping it at 145 pounds instead of a ww fight. there wouldn't have even been a fine, likely a canceling of the fight.
 
Seano said:
Pretty sure there is.If you weigh 138, you're not a welterweight. Even in the old days, fighters had to beef up to over the previous weight classes limit.
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You sure about that?

Donny Lalonde lost his light heavyweight title to Leonard and Lalonde wasn't allowed to weigh more than 168 (super middle limit) for that fight.
 
Conquerer01 said:
147 pounds is the limit and anything between 141-147 would make it a ww fight, but had cotto weighed in at 147 and the fight was canceled, it would've been a 145 pound fight instead of a ww fight. i couldn't find what was in their contract, but i think roach was firm in keeping it at 145 pounds instead of a ww fight. there wouldn't have even been a fine, likely a canceling of the fight.
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Hey idiot, the 2 lbs excuses is just BS. Cotto come in shape way better than he did on other weigh in and he doesnt look drain. So stop this BS weight issue. First you gotta think that a guy who started his career at 112 lbs is moving weight and making fights for us. What do you want to watch? a match between a 145 lbs guys vs a 160 lbs.. you really suck
 
CEROVFC said:
You sure about that?

Donny Lalonde lost his light heavyweight title to Leonard and Lalonde wasn't allowed to weigh more than 168 (super middle limit) for that fight.
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Thats because one sanctioning body didn't recogniize super middleweight as a weight class at that time. That fight was for a lhw title of one org and a smw title of another.

168 was within the light heavyweight limit of one of the alphabet orgs and it was anentire new weight class for another.

Sorry so hard to read, my computer seems to have epilepsy tonight.
 
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