Boxing gloves vs MMA gloves, surprising result

[DublinDanny]

Maybe this has been on Sherdog before, but this test has a surprising result. When Bas Rutton punches the bag it measures - boxing glove (6 cms of foam) 641lbs of force, MMA glove (2 cms thick) 651lbs and the bare knuckles 776 lbs. So lads, the good old fashioned pillows i.e. boxing gloves, still do a lot of damage. Your thoughts ?

[YT]wRmOOWPTRBs[/YT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmOOWPTRBs

 

[MC Paul Barman]

The difference seems almost irrelevant.

Usually the bashing of the boxing glove is from those who tout mma as "the most real thing since street fighting and kung fu!".

But that's fine.

However, these forums are so much different from when I started.
Back then there was so much more bashing of boxing. Now, if you start a thread bashing boxing in the mma forums most of the posters are actually pretty level headed about it. Telling the OP to flip off.

 

[pseudo genki]

Boxing gloves are more protection for your hands, not for the guy on the receiving end.

 

[DublinDanny]

Boxing gloves are more protection for your hands, not for the guy on the receiving end.

Good point. I remember in one of the early UFC's a boxer came into the cage with one boxing glove on thinking somehow he could cope with a grappler !!!

 

[MC Paul Barman]

How DARE him for thinking he could "cope with a grappler!!"


I could cope with a grappler.... and dust him up good with my jab.
Leaving him wishing he never grappled once in his life.

 

[Minowafanatic]

Maybe Bas felt more comfortable going full force with the boxing glove, and unconsciously couldn't go "full force" with the MMA glove and when barefisted, but then again maybe not and maybe this show's "science" is complete shit.

 

[MEGAhorse]

I saw this on TV. Glad it puts the pillow myth to rest. As someone stated, boxing gloves were only developed so the boxer can strike harder while not hurting his hands. Notice how many hand breaks and hand injuries there are in MMA? Not to say there aren't in boxing, but it seems to be very prevalent in MMA.

Point is: The results are so negligible that either glove can cause massive amounts of pain to the recipient.

 

[Zankou]

It's not just the force that matters though. Cushioning doesn't necessarily make the blow less hard, it makes the transfer of force less rapid.

Think about it this way, when you jump onto a cushioned floor, you hit just as hard as if you jump onto a concrete floor. It's the same kinetic energy transfer, in terms of pounds of force. So why does the concrete floor hit so much harder? Because the impact is so much faster and more direct on concrete, while a cushioned floor spreads that impact out. Not because it decreases the total energy of the impact.

When it comes to the "hardness" of a strike, total striking force is important, but equally important is how hard the surface is, and how big of a surface area it contacts.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It's not just the force that matters though. Cushioning doesn't necessarily make the blow less hard, it makes the transfer of force less rapid.

Think about it this way, when you jump onto a cushioned floor, you hit just as hard as if you jump onto a concrete floor. It's the same kinetic energy transfer, in terms of pounds of force. So why does the concrete floor hit so much harder? Because the impact is so much faster and more direct on concrete, while a cushioned floor spreads that impact out. Not because it decreases the total energy of the impact.

When it comes to the "hardness" of a strike, total striking force is important, but equally important is how hard the surface is, and how big of a surface area it contacts.

This is what I figured was the case.

 

[Zankou]

It's similar to the criticism not to "push your punches." Lots of guys will hammer the heavy bag by pushing punches into it. They are applying a lot of total force with their punches, so it looks like they are hitting hard, but that's much less important than applying the punching force fast and clean. Otherwise you will push the guy with a lot of force, but you won't damage/KO him as easily.

 

[MEGAhorse]

It's similar to the criticism not to "push your punches." Lots of guys will hammer the heavy bag by pushing punches into it. They are applying a lot of total force with their punches, so it looks like they are hitting hard, but that's much less important than applying the punching force fast and clean. Otherwise you will push the guy with a lot of force, but you won't damage/KO him as easily.

I love when people push punch the heavy bag and then call their friends over saying: 'look at how much the bag is swinging'. They think they have super strength because of how much the bag sways. But in reality they just have poor technique.

 

[Tecks]

In the days of boxing before they used gloves rounds would go on forever and ever

google it.
from wikipedia:
"The record for the longest bareknuckle fight is listed as 6 hours and 15 minutes"

It is NOT because these guys are wimps - they were huge men who knew how to hit.

I forget the exact science of how the gloves influence the fight but I do remember gloves were originally implemented to first and foremost shorten the length of the fights for the spectators.

Gloves type is a silly debate. A punch is a punch.

 

[Bubblun]

In the days of boxing before they used gloves rounds would go on forever and ever

google it.
from wikipedia:
"The record for the longest bareknuckle fight is listed as 6 hours and 15 minutes"

It is NOT because these guys are wimps - they were huge men who knew how to hit.

I forget the exact science of how the gloves influence the fight but I do remember gloves were originally implemented to first and foremost shorten the length of the fights for the spectators.

Gloves type is a silly debate. A punch is a punch.

try to punch a man with no gloves and punch a man with 3 miles of handwraps plus gloves and you can tell the difference.

an mma glove is perfect to knock the other man unconscious and have decent hand protection.

 

[codek]

I don't know about you but I would rather get hit by a 10oz -16oz boxing glove than a 4oz mma glove.

The sports science stuff while entertaining is kind of wacky and employs some tricks to garner ratings.

Check out how a girl supposedly hits harder than a guy below. LOL.

[YT]watch?v=Gzntve0kiaU[/YT]

[YT]watch?v=_mfn5As4G5o[/YT]

And getting MMA guys to do this doesn't make too much sense.

[YT]watch?v=KZ_8bKAKfk4[/YT]

 

[Tecks]

try to punch a man with no gloves and punch a man with 3 miles of handwraps plus gloves and you can tell the difference.

an mma glove is perfect to knock the other man unconscious and have decent hand protection.

3 miles of handwraps is a lot of hand wraps.

I figure with 180" wraps there is about 1/4-1/2 inch hight off your knuckles when wrapped. Lets say 1/4 for this sake.

For 3 miles that is 190080 inches which, using the same 1/4 inch off knuckles from 180" wraps, would result in 22 feet (feet not inches) of wrapping ontop of your knuckles. Eventhough we know there no way you can get that much wraps on one hand, but for your sake of your argument lets assume so.

So yes you are right. If i try to punch a man with no gloves on and try to punch a man with 3 miles of wrap there would be a difference, for starters if I could lift my arm to hit him (doubtfully) I could hit him from at least 22 feet away.

 

[ztboxing]

3 miles of handwraps is a lot of hand wraps.

I figure with 180" wraps there is about 1/4-1/2 inch hight off your knuckles when wrapped. Lets say 1/4 for this sake.

For 3 miles that is 190080 inches which, using the same 1/4 inch off knuckles from 180" wraps, would result in 22 feet (feet not inches) of wrapping ontop of your knuckles. Eventhough we know there no way you can get that much wraps on one hand, but for your sake of your argument lets assume so.

So yes you are right. If i try to punch a man with no gloves on and try to punch a man with 3 miles of wrap there would be a difference, for starters if I could lift my arm to hit him (doubtfully) I could hit him from at least 22 feet away.

can you illustrate it with a drawing? similar to the one in this thread http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f16/cheap-way-hang-heavybag-without-drilling-2676643/

 

[Tecks]

can you illustrate it with a drawing? similar to the one in this thread http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f16/cheap-way-hang-heavybag-without-drilling-2676643/

I thought about making a video, but I'm not as muscular as the guy in the OP

 

[codek]

It's not just the force that matters though. Cushioning doesn't necessarily make the blow less hard, it makes the transfer of force less rapid.

Think about it this way, when you jump onto a cushioned floor, you hit just as hard as if you jump onto a concrete floor. It's the same kinetic energy transfer, in terms of pounds of force. So why does the concrete floor hit so much harder? Because the impact is so much faster and more direct on concrete, while a cushioned floor spreads that impact out. Not because it decreases the total energy of the impact.

When it comes to the "hardness" of a strike, total striking force is important, but equally important is how hard the surface is, and how big of a surface area it contacts.

Like a push punch vs snap punch, right?

nevermind, I just saw the posts following your posts.

 

[MEGAhorse]

If u want push punching done at its best YouTube Carlos Monzon

 

[Minowafanatic]

I thought about making a video, but I'm not as muscular as the guy in the OP

this just reminds me of hangbang